he's keen to negotiate when it comes to the east i think forays by the german foreign minister steinmeier in the polish foreign minister sikorski any effort to deescalate sikorsky saying that nato is not on the table for ukraine was a gesture of good gesture to russia and so any effort there to deescalate the rhetoric is key certainly ukraine president's speech on saturday is good in terms of amnesty for rebels wanting to disarm safe passage back to russia problem there. are also ukrainian president ukrainian citizens defending themselves i'm afraid you know there's a green men looking for these little green men just isn't really the case i mean it's ukrainians defending themselves people that speak russian and ethnic russians who mean well if i can if i can go to you to berlin i mean it seems to me that the west isn't trying to deescalate this here i mean they would tell their friend that you better to pull back you militias stop killing people stop showing apartment buildings were civilians live i mean it's i'm not i don't see the escalation in the way i see i.c.l. escalation in the rhe