bush's city council, and msnbc political analyst rick stengel in the obama administration. in sipping a pore, there were promises for denuclearizing. the north koreans have not delivered on any of those promises. they are demanding that the u.s. and allies lift economic sanctions before they get rid of their nukes. so why would we rush to a second summit? >> well, i think the reason there might be an inclination for the white house to go for a second summit is that they need a win. i mean, there is so much other stuff going on right now with the shutdown of government, possible impeachable offenses, a six-month period of time after the singapore summit where really nothing happened in terms of the diplomacy. and kim jong-un gives a new year's speech where he's very open to having a second meeting and talks about denuclearization as a goal. the president really liked that speech. he even tweeted that he liked the new year's speech. so i think he sees this visit by kim yong chol as an opportunity to get the formal response from the north korean leader that they're ready for a

joining our conversation, rick stengel, former undersecretary of state for public diplomacy.il, matt and elise are all still here. phil rucker, i remember at the time of the foreign trip when h.r. mcmaster was national security advise oh dina powell was his deputy. i remember them backgrounding reporters every time drup wonal trump was supposed to confirm the united states'commitment to article 5 and didn't. three readouts. going to do it at the next -- why would he do it at nato? he's too busy pushing aside our nato allies. at the final stop, i think, they went ahead and did that. i think there was sort of a telling he'd been resistant at the time and here this new reporting that he still harbored a deep desire to pull out and withdraw from nato all together. >> yeah. i was on that trip, nicolle and the pool reporter that day that trump visited the nato headquarters in brussels. the brand-new gleaming sort of glass modern headquarters that he had such disdain for and he stood there in front of the other heads of state from all the other nato partners and declined in his rema

administration barack obama's former undersecretary of state for public diplomacy by the way where church stengel once said i'm not against propaganda every country does it and they have to do it to their own population and i don't necessarily think it's that awful and what these folks running the show it's pretty easy to guess if our team falls into the red or green territory so go download that plug in asap and always be cautious when you read r t or anything else news guards turned tomato red eyes just for fun downloaded the app in preparation for this interview and i looked at l.a. times dot com which is the website of the los angeles times which gets a green rating which means that the website is considered trustworthy and print yeah usually princella true and verifiable information now i'm personally suing the los angeles times right now for defamation and libel because they printed lies about me so i know that the rating is not one hundred percent reliable for first hand so that was my fact that was my test the leadership of the of that news guard is unfortunately people who have kind of a

both right you also have richard stengel on there right just to show the bipartisanship of it he's was an obama era official he was an undersecretary. i believe in the state department for the obama administration and he famously said many people call me obama's chief propagandist and then he went on you know in a council of foreign relations discussion right in front of cameras to say that he's all in favor of targeting propaganda and those words propaganda against the american people and he's the one who's going to be advising those guard. on what's real news and what's not t.v. this is going to work i mean you know you know there is when i was growing up there was a nice saying is that you know if you push the toothpaste out of the tube you can get it back in and have public's been exposed to an open open sources on the internet so well enough for these state supported actors to start contract ing it i mean what would be the reaction you know from my attitude is this is that when i'm on facebook i can see what a fake story is when it's a fake story when someone puts it on ok i mean

apartment building to partially collapse dozens of people are feared trapped under the rubble catherine stengel has more on the blast occurred in an apartment block in the early hours of the morning when most people were still asleep. it tore a hole through a large swathe of the nine story apartment building in a city and russia's ural mountains spoke of those loose we were all asleep then i woke up with the feeling that i was falling down i thought i was dreaming then i realized i was outside the wall was gone my mother and my son will by screaming. many who survived were trapped in their homes and hutch be rescued those in nearby sections of the building were also evacuated due to the severe structural damage dozens of people are still unaccounted for and with temperatures hovering around minus twenty degrees celsius rescuers are racing to find anyone who might still be alive russian president vladimir putin arrived within hours of the collapse he met with local authorities at the accident site and then visited the hospital where the injured were taken but it's good to go because it is the ev

rick stengel, talk to me about the state department and the impact this is having and this latest newsth the big picture mi, mika. we're the only functioning big democracy in the world that has government shutdowns. you've been reporting open wh i happened with brexit. the government is still running. we go airplaround the world preg democracy and they look at us and go, you guys can't even play this game. you have a president who everything underneath him is falling apart. when we talk about how it's affecting us economically, the state department wants to send people back where there's natural security issues. let's remember this, the state department processes all the visas of businesspeople coming to the united states to do deals. if the consulate services are not working you don't have people coming across here for business meetings. it also slows down the economy, but i have to say, you know, the foreign service office of the state department, they want to be working. they want to be working for the american people and for the role of america and the world. >> i'm going to go big