nancy is an ideologue, steny hoyer is more pragmatic. he is trying to craft something more plausible. greta: the president is trying to herd cats. >> obama is siding with nancy pelosi. greta: if he does not get the other ones, he is cooked. >> i agree. they are clearly on a pass on doing this alone. they will go it alone in the house and they will beat the living daylights of every democratic senator and they will get this done. that sounds like the plan. greta: thank you. protesters are boycotting wholefoods. don't speak out against the health care plan. that is what the ceo did and now the store chain is taking heat. he murdered 270 people, many of them americans, he had no compassion for them. the scots feel sorry for him so they sent him home to libya. how did this happen? what can we do? can your body wash nourish this deeply? the moisturizer in other body washes sits on top of skin. only new dove has nutriummoisture... which can nourish deep down. new dove body wash with nutriummoisture. superior natural nourishment for your skin.

we had no idea steny hoyer was even going to be there. >> i would guess you had house leader steny hoyer, you might as well ask him what's on your mind t doesn't have to be about high-speed trains y not the most pressing thing on your mind, healthcare? what was the response from the crowd? were they behind you? were they angry? what was their feeling? >> it kind of went back and forth. make no mistake, at the end, michael and steny hoyer got a huge hand. it was an invitation-type democratic event. i'm really disappointing, and i think it points out the absurdity of the situation where an average american can call a politician a liar and he gets on national news. these guys aren't used to being called liars. he was either ignoring me or being deliberately ignorant. >> don, what concerns you most about the healthcare reform bill? >> what concerns me most is the government control. the government is a sledgehammer. there is nothing subtle about our government. it's a logical progression. money is going to get tight. it always does. when that money gets tietsd, the healthcare for the elderly

. >> however, house majority leader steny hoyer has a much different tune -- guthrie is nbc's white house correspondent. there's a lot of tug of war, back and forth. you have the house majority leader, the speaker of the house. they don't seem to be singing the same tune here. >> this really illustrates the predicament the president is in. he knows he's going to see opposition from the republicans, but is also dealing with a fractured democratic party. there's a lot of division over the public option, a government insurance plan offered alongside private insurance plans. the president has expressed a preface to having a public option, but we just heard speaker pelosi -- without it. you hear the majority leader in the house saying it is optional. it illustrates this is a real issue of contention. the white house feels they want to get health care reform done. if it has to be done with less than a public option, the signals are clear they would forgo that. >> and now, "the bigger picture." the news from tom daschle today comes as -- in the "wall street journal" today, peggy noonen openly su

celebration of life with friends, including steny hoyer. >> he was a person of substance to work very hard on the behalf of many people and he made a

nancy pelosi and steny hoyer.me of the protests at recent town halls are un-american. what does rush limbaugh think? >> they have an op-ed in "usa today," in which they refer that un-american attacks cannot derail the health-care debate. those of you showing up to the debates, nancy pelosi first call view "nazis," and now they have said that you are "on american -- unamerican." greta: senator rick santorum joins us. i bet they can pull those words back. >> yes, there was the offhand remark by the speaker, and that is one thing. that is bad. that is horrible. but this was a vetted up and down the line. this is what they think. -- this was vetted up and down the line. they wrote an op-ed, and they called the american public showing up at these town meetings un-american, and you want to talk about putting gasoline on a fire. they're going to guarantee that this thing is going to be hot to drop their rest of august. -- throughout the rest of august. greta: frankly, she did not use that were. that is the problem, and i

i mean what is steny hoyer doing? why contradict nancy pelosi publicly even if he feels the option is optional now? shouldn't he politically have the present of mind to shut up about that? >> i think just as i mentioned kathleen he is bealous sending signals to the progressive wing, i suspect hoyer is sending signals to the blue dogs saying that, well, regardless of what nancy pelosi says, the government doesn't necessary sli to hang on to the public option. in other words, he's playing that good cop to the moderates while nancy pelosi plays the hard-liner here in saying that we got to have it. so i think, you know, steny hoyer's job is to call the votes. he tries to pull that coalition together. this is like president obama is realizing to paraphrase will rogers, he has an organized party. he's a democrat. and traditionally they're fractious. we're seeing the results of that in this crazy august. >> the flip side of that, here is michael steel who hasn't had a cogent point to make about the republican party since he

trace: i want to go back to nancy pelosi and steny hoyer. there quotation says -- the facts in this are very undefined. we still do not have a bill. we do not know what is going to be in it, and we do not know who will pay for it. when they say they are disputing the facts, we do not know the facts. >> you are right, there are five bills out there. we are republicans, the innocent bystanders on the stat -- syed mind. they are in control and -- bystanders on the sideline. they are in control and they cannot even get it done. people do not understand what is being sold to them. trace: over and over again they have said that if you let your insurer, you will be able to keep it, but that is not true. >> i think what we need is a consensus in the democratic party and country that you can keep your health care the way in is, that we do not have a public auction, that we gradually increase coverage for the uninsured, and we make sure pre- existing conditions are not an impediment. then we could end the are you and fighting and do what we all want,

the latest person to be confronted at a meeting was house majority leader steny hoyer. let's take a look at this video. one. [inaudible] >> i did not say what you said. >> i am a registered democrat, ok? >> me, too. >> why do you try to stuff a health care bill down our throat[applause] sean: was that the angry mob the dnc is talking about? was that man, who is a democrat, coached by republican operatives? of course not. joining me now is the author of "cultural corruption." it will debut at number one on the "the new york times" bestseller list. welcome. are you part of the angry mob and extremists funded by lobbyists? >> well, this is the mother of all smear campaigns by the democrat national committee and the white house. this is the way they play. it is the chicago way. hardball politics. dissent. it is laughable coming from an organization and a machine that has done nothing but astroturf let's talk about 1825 k street, ground zero for the soros foundation-funded operation that has failed to put people in the ground to counter a true grass- roots movement among the

he also called steny hoyer a liar.any event, steny hoyer says that these are rabid people, normal citizen do not act this way. >> no, normal citizen to act this way. this is your job. you are not just there to have people say how good looking you are. your job is to listen to your constituents. i would hope these people showing up at town hall meetings would express their feelings in the respect of fashion. but this is what members of congress are paid to do. i would admire somebody who took on one of these meetings and patiently lay down their views and status as long as possible until everyone was exhausted and went home. as a member of congress, your job is to represent your constituents, even when they do not agree with you. increasingly, it seems that americans are not supporting this. megyn: when you have polls that are this close and they do not favor the president, it seems to suggest the majority of americans are against health care reform. they do not trust it. but they are closely divided. when americans are

the number two house democrats steny hoyer told reporters that the party might have to abandon the public option. >> i am for it, but i am also for passing a bill. the public auction is a necessary, useful, and very important aspect of this. we will have to see. there were many other important aspects of the bill. >> yesterday, nancy pelosi called the public option a legislative must. >> i cannot pass a bill in the house without the public option. >> president obama met with tom dashiell, his former picked to lead the department of health and human services. >> we were concerned that the ongoing health reform debate is beginning to show signs of a tractor on the public plan issue. we have come too far and gained too much momentum for our efforts to fail over this agreement on one single issue. >> yesterday, the president tried to sound definitive on this issue. >> there has been a lot of confusion about this. let me clarify. i think the public option is important. i wanted to be clear. it is just one option. >> polls show a decline in the health care plan. a new abc news poll suggests it

. >> did nancy pelosi and steny hoyer misstep when they wrote that drowning out the opposing views isy use an incendiary word on people who are already tinderbox dry? >> they wrote it and said it in a way that refers to a whole set of first amendment traditions. we have robust protections for speech, but have areas that to allow speech, there have to be some rules. it's totally understandable that citizens who heard that as an attack don't like it. >> she seems to be a big target. when we had a guy on yesterday, he was on "morning meeting" this morning and said he doesn't like nancy pelosi or steny hoyer or the president for that matter. >> people are coming to these things to disrupt. they want to attack nancy pelosi. it's not clear how attacking her gets us to resolve. that's the point robert gibbs is making today. even if you disagree, let's hear that. >> can i go on the record and say i at least think it's rude to drown out the discussion. >> absolutely. >> contessa, nobody's saying your anti-american. >>> militia groups with gripes against the country on the rise and president ob

celebration of life with friends, including steny hoyer. >> he was a person of substance to work very hard on the behalf of many people and he made a real difference. >> president obama remains in martha's vineyard with his family preparing a eulogy for tomorrow. >> this will be a very personal statement he makes on saturday. >> when he is brought to washington for burial, they will go to the steps of the capital. >> to pay tribute and have a celebratory. and trade war stories and say goodbye. incredibly meaningful. >> the treaty will take place at 4:00 p.m. on the east side of the capital. members of the public are invited to gather on east lawn. the motorcade will continue to arlington national cemetery for the burial. rebecca cooper, abc 7 news. >>> final preparations are underway at arlington national cemetery. senator kennedy will be buried near the eternal flame, where john f. kennedy is buried. as part of the cemeteryilmbl be close to the public all day tomorrow. to her people are expected to attend a private burial. -- 200 people are expected to attend the private burl. >>> tr

house leaders nancy pelosi and steny hoyer tried to explain why you, the american people, are so angry, and they wrote in "usa today" that "these disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views, but of the facts themselves. drowning out opposing views is simply, they say, un-american." the white house later today tried to quickly distance themselves from these comments. but at this point the democrats have compared those of us who oppose health care, they've compared us to nazis, they've called us brownshirts, crazed mobsters that are manufactured by the r.n.c. and now they're accusing people of being un-american, all in an effort to shut down dissent. so they steam rolled this bill through congress. will they be successful? this sounds as american as apple pie when people are speaking out. joining us now, the author of "the new york times" bestseller, "catastrophe," dick morris. drowning out opposing views is simply un-american. the d.n.c. called the american people mobsters. congressmen have referred to these people as being like tim mcveigh, nazis,

. >> reporter: at a town hall meeting today, steny hoyer got an earful. it was just the latest such episode of peep protesting health care reform with visceral anger, sh as the not quite brotherly love in philadelphia over the weekend. >> you want us to believe that a government that can't even run a "cash for clunkers" program is going to run the administration. no. >> one was hung in effagy. >> one man was shouted down before he could even speak -- says there's nothing authentic about these protests. >> this notion of a grassroots campaign is totally and completely phony. the republican party has coordinated this apparent outrage and stirred it up. >> clearly, some of it is organized. bob mcguffie, a grass roots ai widely serkulated menno to put the congressman"on the deafensive with your questions and follow-up." the congressman should be made to feel that the majority opposes the socialist agenda of washington. the goal is to rattle him. get him off his prepares script and agenda. >> they need to hear t he people's voice. >> what official from freedom

in addition to congressman kagan, democratic house majority leader steny hoyer was in upstate new yorkoday when this happened -- >> why would you guys try to stop a health care bill in three to four weeks when the president took six months to pick what he wanted for a dog for his kids? >> 95% hasn't changed since the bush administration. >> you're lying to me! >> that's right. what are you waiting for? >> i don't have sophisticated language but i recognize a lawyer when i see one. >> what happened to congressman hoyer there and congressman kagen is happening to democratic members of congress across the country. check out this scene outside of a health care event held by democratic senator chris dodd today. senator dodd, of course, announced just on friday that he has been diagnosed with prostate cancer. >> barack obama clearly said all you should do is take a painkiller! we don't just give chris dodd painkillers like a handful of them at a time! he can wash it down with ted kennedy's whiskey! >> and as we talked about last night, democratic congressman lloyd doggett of texas endured an

not being able to get a health- care plan out of the house without the public option, and today, steny hoyerid in a conference call that the public option may have to go in order to get the bill passed. this is the number one and number two democrat in the house of representatives. >> this is a ritual dance. the democrats understand if they kill the public option openly and completely, they will make less needless trouble right now. all of the intimations that it is preferred, that it is important, that we want to keep it is a way to douse the rebellion on the left, but in the end, they all understand you can pass it without a public option, because in the end, the bluff on the left to vote against is only a bluff. they are not going to destroy the health-care reform and the president at the same time over that one issue. the issue is dead, but they cannot admit it. >> i agree that they cannot destroy the health-care option, because, essentially, that is to destroy the obama presidency. coming from david axelrod and rahm emanuel and others, you guys have to understand. you are tied into this

>> well, i think -- i don't know if speaker pelosi and steny hoyer meant it was un-american to protest. it's clearly not in the tradition of american democracy to protest to the extent where you drown out all other questions, all other discourse. that is counterveiling to everything the american democracy has been about. that's number one. number two, questions and protests on policy, that's fine. and the president has to do a better job in answering those questions. i think he's going to do that in these three town hall meetings, and the thing that he's got to get across most of all to the american people, whether you've got health care now or not, the status quo is the worst of all possible options. consider this, andrea. in pennsylvania, in 1996, the average employer family health care plan cost $5,100. today it costs $11,000, and by 2016, it's predicted to cost $26,000. over 500,000 pennsylvanians in the last six years have lost employer-based health care. we can't go on like that. there has to be changes. so reform is absolutely necessary, doing nothing is not an option. the presi

about the crab meat crisis and our customers were enraged, so they were going home and calling steny hoyer and nancy pelosi, and on a regular basis, for months now, so i really think that they had a lot to do with this. >> reporter: when more people are picking crabs, seafood houses like gibby's say that means you can expect to pay a lower price for crab meat like this. >> i did know that crabs were down. so we're glad we got here just in time. >> reporter: local seafood businesses say this is also good news for consumers. they say you can expect to see lower prices on crabs themselves and crab meat within the next few weeks. denise. >> thank you, kai. >>> it is the westminster dog show but not the dog you are thinking of. rapper snoop dogg surprised ravens fans at training camp in westminster. snoop dogg called his friend ray lewis. >> lewis one of the greatest linebackers ever to play the game. i love his story, i love his attitude, his enthusiasm, his whole get-down. >> snoop arrived to practice in style with an entourage of four, including an umbrella caddie. >>> well, john edwards' fo

let's start with "usa today" and this piece by nancy pelosi and steny hoyer.debate. here we go. these disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views but of the facts themselves. drowning out opposing views is simply un-american. drowning out the facts of how we failed at this task for decades. health care is complex. it touches every american life. it drives our economy. people must be allowed to learn the facts. >> lawrence, you're laughing. why are you laughing? could it be because newt -- >> i love nancy pelosi. >> the left -- >> what's wrong with this? >> but you are laughing, though, because i suspect -- i see in your eyes the fact that it is the left that mastered this technique through the years and now conservatives. is that not the case? >> drowning out arguments is un-american, that stretches my notion of un-american. that has normally been considered a first amendment option and not the most sophisticated. >> and a tactic by which side, which side has mastered this? >> i think i remember some drowning out in 1968

then you've got nancy pelosi and steny hoyer, basically calling the people that are there un-americanand unpatriotic. that is certainly not helpful. it doesn't help the democrat members of congress that are holding these meetings to have this going on. it's unfortunate. >> let me get mike in on that. mike, what do you see coming from the white house? what's the best tact to take? you can't demean people for stating their case. but we're also hearing from average citizens who are calling the show saying hey, the yelling's got to stop. your call on this, mike? >> first i have to disagree a little bit about what was just said about the lack of inclusion. i think president obama has probably been more inclusive than maybe any other president in recent memory on an issue so complicated as this. i think that's part of the problem with, i think as one of the callers called it disorderly conduct or whatever term he used. used is that he's right. folks now, this is very complicated. what the media is reporting is basically these kind of ugly incidents, not what's in the bill. and how it's goin

nancy pelosi and steny hoyer. political terrorists. brown shirts.ow, harry reid, evil mongers. >> even dramatically, that is a mess. it is like it burped out of him. he is having political in digestion. sean: i agree with everything that was written on the blog. if you read the bill, and i wrote -- i read every page, they talk about the end of life counseling sessions. one of the chief advisers is rahm emanuel's brother. here's what he said. services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being more becoming participating citizens, get this, are not basic, should not be guaranteed, and obvious -- an obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia. that sounds to me like we are going to decide that some people's lives are not worth living. >> ezekiel emanuel did not write the bill. he is one of the health care visors. i read the article that he did that was published in february of this year. it is a stunning article. he is not really a practitioner of medicine. he is a philosopher and his philosophy

you know it is bad when claire mccaskill says stop speaking on the same day that steny hoyer and nancy pelosi called protesters un-american. even the president of the united states is using to step back from the heat here, while commenting on reform efforts south of the border today. >> it is a healthy thing. neil: the editor for the op-ed news, nancy pelosi did not say anything for weeks, now that protesters are getting nervy. but all of them? >> here is the thing. let me cut to the chase. these town hall protesters are denying the dozens of other people who have come to these meetings, they are denying those folks free speech. there are a lot of other protests that have happened in the past by liberal groups, but one thing that you will notice is that there is a line that they do not cross. they do not protest town hall debates and open forums, those are the chances to interact. neil: are you looking at the foot -- footage that i am? in 2006 they wanted to give a speech in michigan state, and they were heckled. he was called a racist, kicked, and spit on. that was not bad, but this i

steny hoyer, going after those who protested protests on health care -- going after those who protested people who were chanting and health care sessions. how about that? megyn: hello, everybody. last week she turned heads when she said that some opponents to this legislation were showing up at these events wearing swastikas. harry reid and then called them on american. -- harry reid then called them un-american. bill: chairman of the republican senate group joins us this morning, your reaction? >> petrilli disappointing and very sad. in fact -- >> it really disappointing and very sad. in fact, democrats in the house were told not to talk on this issue. we were not allowed to send information to our constituents. if anyone is drowning out opposing views, it is the democratic leadership. the real issue is what is in the bill. it is not what the american people want. that is why they are voicing their american concerns. there is nothing on american about voicing -- uun-american for -- there is nothing un- american about voicing concerns. bill: it goes on further. "health care is complex a

nancy pelosi and steny hoyer, today they were blasting the outspoken critics at town hall meetings all over the nation. in their opinion piece, democrats wrote the following. "these disruptions are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views, but of the facts themselves. drowning out opposing views is simply but american -- un- american." this man got in the face of a congressman and told him that the president and congress would not help his disabled son. elisse encouraged him to leave. the father told fox news that he is now being harassed for speaking out. he responded directly to their comments. >> your funds already know where we live. we had a visit from them in the middle of the night. they do not, in the middle of the day, they come in the middle of the night. i suggest that you take that airplane that you have and fly to michigan and say it to my son's face if you have the guts. gregg: someone vandalized his mailbox after the town hall meeting. joining us for this debate, the assistant managing editor of human events.com. we also have a consultant that h

listen to what nancy pelosi and steny hoyer wrote in an op-ed piece today. are occurring because opponents are afraid not just of differing views, above the -- but of the facts themselves. drowning out opposing views is simply on american. drowning out the fact is how we felt at this task for decades. we're joined by a former senior advisor to al gore. nice to see you. also, a former communications director for the national republican committee. let me start with you. what do you make of these comments, as spelled out by the speaker, pelosi, and the majority leader? >> i actually think that there were a lot of good points in this. at the point of trying to make is that we have to have a reasonable discussion these are complex issues. there are a lot of merit -- a lot of americans who are not insured. rick: to speak up and exercise your first amendment right? >> speaking up and having a conversation about the issues is one thing. disrupting a town hall debate, shutting it down -- i was listening to a reporter talking about a town hall meeting being cancelled

nancy pelosi and steny hoyer. e president set the record stra >> i know soon -- no sooner want to get between you and your doctor than i want insurance companies to make arbitrary decisions about what medical care is best for you, as they do today. as i've said from the beginning, under the reform we seek, if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. if you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan. period. >> now crics say that it's too expensive and gives the government too much control. >>> well the talk about end of life planning provisions have struck a nerve. administration officials said the outcry over the death panels is nonsense. but fox has uncovered a work book that may bring life back into that debate. chris wallace joins with a preview of that. >> good morning, melanie. this is being used for end of life counseling for veteran affairs administration for all of the 24 million veterans. reason this is significant is because in the work book, it's 51 pages, they have one sect

in an op-ed with house majority leader steny hoyer, the speaker said -- but it was in 2006 that speaker pelosi declared, she supports disrupters as they called them. she was calling about iraq at a town hall meeting in san francisco. >> advocacy is very american and very important. and i'm a fan of disruptors. people who make haste change. >> quite a contrast then and now. speaker pelosi offered disrupters even more encourage. she invited them to stand at the front of the room with their anti-war signs. >>> still ahead, both sides of the health care debate join us. they're talking about spending millions of dollars on competing television ads. we'll find out what they're going to say and what affect they might have. >>> also, california on the brink in so many ways. wildfires, prison riotses, chaos in a state that some people say is simply out of control. >>> a special report on australia's public health care system. a report you won't see anywhere else on television. stay with us. we continue. >>> we're examining health care systems all around the world to see what we can learn. as the

meantime, the most second powerful person in the house, steny hoyer said last week the public option, once again, representative anthony wiener. where do we stand with the public option in the debate? >> the white house now is back to where they were, which is it seems like they support it and prefer it. i think we are at the point the president needs to stands up and say here are the things we need to have in any bill that passes. one of them has to be a public option. i think it's pretty clear that he doesn't have the votes to pass something that doesn't control costs, and the public option has been the only way so far that does that? >> what do you make the steny hoyer's comments saying the public option may have to be gone to move forward? >> everybody is trying to figure out the math on how you get something passed. he might be under the impression you get more votes than you lose by taking out the public option. nancy pelosi, the speaker of the house, she said clearly and crisply, as soon as there was any indecision coming out of the white house, she would not put another bill o

. >> mike: she and steny hoyer wrote an editorial this week in usa today three critical of people who are speaking out but it's interesting, back in 2006, the same woman, nancy pelosi, had a totally different view at a meeting that was disrupted some antiwar protesters were protesting george w. bush. let's watch that clip. >> from a close with this on the democrats and how we see ourselves and how i hope you're hopeful. when franklin roosevelt died in a drug great inspiration to me because they would disrupt her and i'm a fan of disruptors, people who make change. >> mike: amazing, isn't it? same amount completely different view of disruptions. it's okay if they are disrupting president which. it is not okay if they are disrupting president obama. you come up with the hypocrisy on that one. last week during our healthcare special guest you to send questions about the proposed health-care reform bill and would you do ever. we received thousands of e-mails in response. which right answers as we could on last week's show but couldn't get to all of them. the e-mails with your concern have

. >> nancy pelosi and steny hoyer this morning in a u.s.a. op ed said "these disare up shons are occurring because they are afraid of differing views and the facts themselves. drowning out opposing views is simply unamerican, and drowning out the facts is how we failed at this task for decades. " for its fact, democrats are are the healthcare reform organizer and unveiled a website to help supporters combat the opposition. are republicans decried the extreme rhetoric on both sides, but democrats have exploited the incidents to distract the public from the flaws in their reform policies. >> to demonize citizens who are energetic about this strikes me as demonstrating a kind of weakness in your position. in other words, you want to change the subject, or would rather talk about the half trillion dollar medicare cuts and talk about somebody at some town hall meeting that misbehaved. that's missing the point. >> at an afternoon event things got more boisterous for mccaskill. >> this is about taking power and control in this administration than it

are talking about house democratic leader nancy pelosi and the house democratic majority leader steny hoyerthey do authored an op ed in "u.s.a. today" today. the language that they used has them under fire. they wrote, in part: excuse me hold on a second. a little blackberry glitch: that op ed in today's "u.s.a. today" raised a question on air force one with the president's aides. they were asked if mr. obama agrees with pelosi's assertion that such dissent is unamerican. aides said no, they actually think that spirited debate is very much part of the american political democratic process. and they do expect it to continue. trace? trace: the chief political correspondent carl cameron in popular bluff, missouri. one who confronted his congressman at a town hall meeting is not happy about being called unamerican. watch this exchange between mike sula and john dingell. >> i have a question for this young man. he has the right to be represented i'm his father. i want to talk to you first face to face. under the obama health care plan, which you support, this man would be given no care whatsoeve

if you want to send the first amendment to steny hoyer and nancy pelosi, maybe they'll catch up. but notice what these rightsr freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, none of those rights confiscate something from somebody else. they are a right of free he men and women. you have the right to free speech. you do not have the right to demand your local newspaper reprint your speech. you don't have the right to demand local air time on your local television station. you don't have the right to confiscate somebody else's property. those are inate to the individual. when you hear people talking about the right to health care. again, it sounds good, because we are all compassionate people. nobody wants to see somebody go out without medical attention when they need it, but the actual right here is the right of the provider to profit from his goods and services in the marketplace. that's the right that has to be protected. [applause] >> and i'm not saying that because i have a special love for doctors, although i think doctors do great work in this country and we h

wasn't it nancy pelosi and steny hoyer who in u.s.a. today accused us of, quote, drowning out the bait and accusing us of being unamerican? where are their words of condemnation for these thugs, these thugs who have a history not only of leveling this kind of intimidation against their corporate enemies, people that have been resisting their union and collective bargaining efforts but also by their own members and they are the ones, the rank and file who know the best and know well just how intimidating and thuggish this management can be. glenn: michelle, thank you very much. i appreciate you being on the program and we'll keep watching it. you know, i have to tell you, i think the clock is ticking, gang. i think everybody needs to back away, not from your passions, not from what you believe in. you believe in healthcare, you keep going. you believe it's wrong. then you keep going, but we need to be very, very careful. i fear for the future. somebody is going to do something stupid and it will change the republic overnight, but it is a

through the house that doesn't have a public option in it, the number two democrat in the house, steny hoyer singing a different tune saying i'm for a public option but i'm also for passing a bill. frankly, samuel whatley on the issue, where does the house snand where do democrats stand? >> you know, generally speaking, choosing between something and nothing, i choose something. but we have to get something worth while. i think after going through what we've gone through, if nothing else, we terurned people on to e idea of, look, we have to sol of this problem. if we start with something so watered down, i don't think that is a legacy that never mind president obama but congressman weaner is not going to want to run on. i think it's not enough to say, hey, we'll get something. i think we now have stepped forward into the breech. i think president obama deserves a lot of credit. he is taking a lot of heat here. and now we should go do the right thing. nancy pelosi, she can count. she understands they don't have the votes right now if they strip out the public option. i'm not kidding myself. w

she wrote with steny hoyer that they're unamerican. can't think of anything more quintessentially american. >> that is not right. you have the right to freedom of speech. i don't agree with that at all. sean: you get the last word of this seeing. >> it's terrible they don't represent us. this is supposed to be a representative type government. and that only happens when people are conscious of the fact that we pay their salary. we elect them or someone elects them. and they are supposed to represent the public. sean: public service. they are supposed to serve people. >> that's what they are. sean: some of them are such cowards they don't want to show up at town hall meetings. >> what if they say they would be willing to give us the same kind of health care that they have. sean: great point. continue more with our great, great american panel. still to come tonight, we will take you live to the valley that hope forgot and tell you all about the struggles of people in central california, the farmers. their pleas to the obama administratio

this into pelosi followed by steny hoyer said he backs the idea but he also wants to get a bill that will pass. mcnamee said another way. there's a lack of passed a bill and house of representatives of the public option or it. >> we believe the public option is a necessary, useful and very important aspect of this. but you know will have to see because there are many other important aspects of the bill as well. >> three house committees have passed bills that included government run healthcare on the senate side beginning of sixth on the finance committee are trying to work out and out alternative in the form of private nonprofit co-ops. democrat kent conrad says there never has been support in the senate for government run health there. in fact he said chasing a rabbit is a wasted effort. back to you through an anti-semite. an update on a story we're following for you. the claims from hundreds of people say they got unsolicited e-mails from the white house on the topic of health care reform, the administration informing this week that messages were sent to people who never requested

and slow down and take a look at it, obama just keeps ramming us -- sean: i love the one line at steny hoyertest, it said it took barack obama six months to pick a dog and this is what's going on here. we saw now with the acorn members and with the union groups going in to tampa and some of these other places, and we're going to show the video to our audience here in just a minute, do you think the president bears any responsibility for this conflict now that is emerging in these town halls? >> that's an excellent point. as a matter of fact, let me suggest that if there's anything that happens at these town hall meetings, if anybody's hurt, or anything really stupid happens, this white house has some responsibility for it. this white house is calling out its dogs. the president sent out an email to millions of his supporters. rahm emanuel, behind the scenes, is pushing, so is a.al rod. if something -- so is axelrod. if something terrible happens at these town hall meetings the president can be held accountable. sean: pan this crowd. i see young people. i see older people. i see middle aged p

speaker of the house nancy pelosi and house majori leader steny hoyer. pelosi says the bill won't pass the house without the public option, while hoyer thinks there's their is a public option. the president will use a meeting to set the record straight. >> i know you don't want government to get between you and your doctor and i don't want health insurance companies to make arbitrary decisions about what medical care is best for you as they do today. as i've said from the beginning under the reform we seek, if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. if you like your private health insurance plan, you can keep your plan, period. >> critics of obama's health care plan say it's too expensive and that it gives the government too muchcontrol. >>> next, a frustrated pilot with no control over a nightmare on the tarmac. >> a plane full of passengers trapped in their seats for hours. new tonight, you'll hear the pilot's plea to get passengers off that plane. why didn't it happen? we'll have that next. (announcer)  what the world needs now is energ

and slow down and take a look at it, obama just keeps ramming us -- sean: i love the one line at steny hoyertest, it said it took barack obama six months to pick a dog and this is what's going on here. we saw now with the acorn members and with the union groups going in to tampa and some of these other places, and we're going to show the video to our audience here in just a minute, do you think the president bears any responsibility for this conflict now that is emerging in these town halls? >> that's an excellent point. as a matter of fact, let me suggest that if there's anything that happens at these town hall meetings, if anybody's hurt, or anything really stupid happens, this white house has some responsibility for it. this white house is calling out its dogs. the president sent out an email to millions of his supporters. rahm emanuel, behind the scenes, is pushing, so is a.al rod. if something -- so is axelrod. if something terrible happens at these town hall meetings the president can be held accountable. sean: pan this crowd. i see young people. i see older people. i see middle aged p