i'm stephanie conforto's. stephanie, some good information. there certainly was getting a little bit loud, but >> very important point that she made. lori says, look at week. >> we can't just keep spending our way out of these problems that there's not enough in the budget to handle that. and yet he also said that they didn't want to have any cuts to essential services. emt's police, fire, et cetera, et cetera. so that's going to be quite a balancing so much is made of. >> oakland's budget deficit, which is just north of 100 million dollars. san francisco is is closing in on a billion. so both cities that have the bay in between them are dealing with really difficult issues. now mayor lori is trying to paint today in an optimistic light. he says that says nature, stephanie referenced the effort to, you know, have sort of a cleaner, safer downtown area around this county center. not just win conferences might be there. you know, when sales force is hopping, looks great. you don't see a homeless person that you don't see any kind of crime. he sa