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>>> we're joined now by former trump white house press secretary stephanie grisham. cnn presidential historian, former director of the nixon presidential library tim naftali. good to have you both. stephanie, if i could begin with you, trump and his allies are saying that this is a partisan hit job, that he did nothing wrong after the election and leading up to january 6th, he was just exercising his rights. do you agree? >> well, no, i don't agree at all. but i expect this from them. this is exactly what he's always done. he plays the victim. even back in the white house when i was press secretary and, you know, the first impeachment with ukraine, everything's a witch hunt. everyone's out to get him. but sadly that message works. it works with the base and his poll numbers only go up with these indictments. and you know, i'm hoping that the republican candidates in the primary are going to come out swinging a little harder like pence did today. i was really happy to see that because i think the only way that people will see who he really is is if people can stand up

stephanie grisham is saying why she believes, the co-defendants on the documents case haven't turned on the former president. >> i think this is a design that trump does to people. he chooses and selects vulnerable people to surround him. i'm putting myself in that group, by the way. this new gentleman, i've never seen at mar-a-lago. and i spent a lot of time there. you consider him, the fact he started as a valet and worked his way up. he owes trump. he chooses people. they work their way up. and we feel ingratiated towards him, like we owe him. it's scary, the thought of turning on trump right now. his lawyer is being paid for and he has a job. you get out into the world without the trump cushion, it's scary and not friendly. it's not lucrative and you have to think how will i support my family? how will i pay for the legal bills? it's a basic necessity of survival, that someone like carlos wouldn't turn on trump. >> perspective from trump's press secretary. >>> now, temperatures. temperatures in the u.s. continue to break records amid a heat wave, that shows little sign of weakeni

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now, ryan goodman special counsel the department of defense and stephanie grisham former white house press truck -- press secretary. what do you think about the former president posting if you go after me, i am coming after you and this being followed by a campaign ad that identifies the prosecutors in these cases? >> i think it's chilling. legally it doesn't seem like very smart but how is that not intimidation? and what other people are going to take a message from that as we have seen and heard people really believe that donald trump sent them to the capital and people really felt like hours later when he said to stop, they listen. so i just don't understand, does someone have to get hurt before people take this intimidation seriously? the people -- and i know he's pointing out the prosecutors but as somebody who gets death threats every other day, it makes me nervous. it would make anyone who's nervous -- anyone who spoke out nervous. >> at what art is that dealt with? who have d.a. fani wilson showing us the threats that she and her staff are getting. at what point does this bec

. >> joining me ryan goodman, the former special counsel with the department of defense, stephanie grisham joins me and thanks very much to all of you. ryan, so you hear the lieutenant governor. you having been through this, you can parse what he said in a much more meaningful way. you go in at this stage, it's described the way he described it as both the grand jury and fani willis' team, about an hour, what do you take away from that? >> it sounds like we're at the very, very end game and that it's quite likely that we'll have an indictment decision and hopefully the indictment itself if that's the case tonight. it's just all the timing is pointing in that direction. he was supposed to go tomorrow. they made him come today. the courthouse usually closes at 5 p.m., they're holding it late. it sounds like they want to wrap this thing up. if that's the case, whether or not the jury returns the indictment affirmatively or negatively, i think it's going to happen tonight. >> anthony, what do you think? >> i agree. i think what we've seen is a real desire by the fulton county d.a.'s office and

george conway, former trump white house press secretary stephanie grisham and david axlerod. stephanie, let's talk about the whom cnn has already named f including rudy giuliani, john eastman, sney powell, et cetera. what's your reaction to these people being named here? >> i wasn't surprised at all. i think it made perfect sense. i think they're the ones that are going to get thrown under the bus by donald trump. it sounds like it's been talked about on cnn all evening. the president is saying he was listening to his counsel. if those people are smart, which i guess they've proven not to be in many ways, they will understand to watch out for themselves because they are the ones who will take the fall for this. >> get lawyers in, quickly. david axlerod, what do you make of the messaging that's coming in from trump's team and his allies up on capitol hill. >> look. this is a continuation of what we've seen for months and months and months, wolf. the message is that this is an assault by joe biden and the administration and the department of justice and the fbi with the intent o

stephanie grisham said he looked angry to her on the tarmac. one other notable thing. we have been very lucky. whether it was in new york or florida or here today, there was no violence. the security worked. we were talking about you know perhaps part of that is because so many of the rioters from january 6th, they've got to jail. people don't want to go to jail. it's been a deterrent. that said, donald trump continues to attack the department of justice, judges, the special counsel. he's calls the special counsel thugs. slime ball. gustapo. there were a number of federal judges that came into the courtroom today. that's very unusual. his judges did not go in there because they were curious. texted me and said they were there to show solidarity. they know the rule of law, democracy, the justice department has been you under ak and that was the statement they gave today. >> and this case as well as all of the january 6th related cases, they're really serving two purposes. one is to hold the actual individuals who are accused accountable for the particular thing they are

let's discuss now with former trump white house press secretary stephanie grisham and former adviser were with trump on the campaign trail inside the white house with him. is he making a mistake in skipping this debate? >> well, i think there's two schools of thought. the strategist in me would tell him not to do it. he is so far ahead, why go up there and get such a contrast between these other candidates and himself which i think they would show to be most of them a lot more presidential than he is. however, i do think by skipping so many events he is starting to seem like he is above it all and that is not a good thing especially in a republican primary. you have people as you played in the clip really want to meet and say hello and hear from the candidates. so i think in a way if he continues down this path it will be a mistake. >> yeah. olivia, what do you think? he is going to do this interview i guess with tucker carlson instead. what does that say about where this primary process is right now? >> look, i think it is typical of trump to create his own rules and be the rule bre

but on the topic of what the former trump white house press secretary, stephanie grisham told me recentlywhat she said about her experience, personally, with the former president. take a listen. >> i watched him show documents to people at mar-a-lago on the dining room patio. so, he has no respect for classified information. he never did. >> are you at all confident that trump's legal counsel can ensure there are no further risks of national security leaks? >> no. of course not. and i would actually go a step further. it's not that donald trump has no respect for just classified documents, donald trump is no respect for the rule of law. over his 15 year career in a private and public sectors, it has been one long conspiracy against the law, one long trail of litigation to try to avoid accountability from the law. and finally, the buck needs to stop, and we need to hold him accountable in front of the american people for conspiring against the united states constitution. >> let me ask you to switch topics quickly. many of your democratic colleagues are calling for supreme court justice cla

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joining us now stephanie grisham, former trump white house press secretary, and olivia troy, worked inland security advisor to mike pence. christine holmes has been traveling with trump today. they are telling he is defiant, ready to fight. the demeanor she saw throughout the day was different and trump's statement when he gave it was terse and extremely short. less than a minute. he didn't take questions, even though she and other reporters were told that he would. what does this tell you? >> well, i mean, this is what we were always told to do. you put on a front that we're gonna fight, we're fighting for everybody, we're fighting for the little guy, but when i saw him get out of the car i immediately knew with his body language that he wasn't happy. before he even started talking, i could tell he wasn't happy. and the fact that he didn't take questions also. you know, it struck me, i have a feeling with this one, you know, this is third time's a charm, i suppose, not to make light of it. but with this one i think he is recognizing with this particular judge he doesn't have control.

one of them i'll point to is stephanie grisham. she was really brought into the maga movement.ore by republicans than someone like me. we need to get more of those people to defect. it's never too late to do the right thing. and they create permission structures. what we used to call in counter terrorism, off-ramps from terrorism. they have a responsibility to get out there and do what's right. i just talked to someone on the phone today, one of those individuals that hasn't gone out there publicly, really probably should. i'm encouraging him to do it not because politically it is important. it could save lives. unfortunately, the story about the jurors is not an academic exercise. it is a live-fire exercise. i wouldn't want to scare them. when this happened to me. when donald trump said bad things will happen to myles taylor, they did happen. they did dox me. oopds we're talking about real threats to real people and we have to take it seriously. >> frank, i spent a lot of time erroneously looking for a circuit breaker and it never came. they didn't jump ship after good people