jack lew served as treasury secretary in the obama administration. secretary, thank you for joining me. you say there is a solution to this. what is it? >> it's good to be with you, stephanieement resources, you don't have any cops on the beat. for the last 25 years we've seen that the amount of resources available for tax enforcement has dropped by 50%. it was a big issue in dealing with congress over these years. we couldn't get the money appropriated. and we knew we were losing a lot of revenue. under current law we're losing about $7 trillion over ten years because people aren't paying, firms aren't paying what's required. if you put a few small numbers on it, there are 4 million partnership tax returns. 140 a year are audited. that doesn't mean everyone is cheating. it doesn't mean that this is anything other than saying everyone needs to follow the same rules. i've always believed that before you talk about any new revenues, you have to make sure people pay the taxes that are due under current law. and the simple logic of hiring people, training people, and having the oversight is just overwhelming, which is what the five of us argue in that column. >> but then why w