questioning will be led today by florida's stephanie murphy and jamie raskin of maryland, both democrats. congressman raskin was also an empeachment manager for the proceedings against donald trump. before his time in government he taught constitutional law for over 25 years. at american university here in washington, d.c. congresswoman murphy is serving her third term representing florida's seventh district. she also sits on the armed services and ways and means committees. and was a defense department analyst before being elected to congress. we want to let you know today's hearing and all of c-span program something brought to you as a unpublic service by the cable industry and these television companies, including charter communications, cox, and verizon fios. we do expect this to get under way at 1 p.m. eastern. when the committee enters together from the back of the chamber as they have done for alt hearings, it will happen just after 1:00, a reminder if you need to step away from your tv but want to continue following the hearing, just download c-span now, our free video app. cong

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it is being led by democrats jamie ras kin and stephanie murphy. welcome to "meet the press." >> thank you. >> let me start with pat cipollone's testimony. was it as critical as you thought it would be? >> of course it was. he had relevant information about what was happening in the white house. and we are really grateful he was willing to come before the committee and share that with us. there were areas he claimed privilege, but it was important for us to understand what the president's top legal adviser thought about the activities that were happening post-election and in the run-up to january 6th. >> can you give me an ypd of what he would not touch? >> he claimed privilege on conversations that related to the advice he provided directly to the president or conversations with the president. but i think we still got a lot of relevant information from him. and it provides us another perspective on what was happening in the white house in those weeks running up to january 6th that were so critically important. >> i have seen some reports. other fe

course, anderson, who is ultimately responsible. >> ryan nobles, appreciate it thanks. >> -- stephanie murphy. congresswoman murphy thanks for being with. this you heard ryan nobles reportedly december 18th 2020 meeting in the white house. i know you both or can't many details tonight. but can you say whether trump white house counsel pat cipollone has advanced the committee's understanding of that meeting? >> mr. cipollone was a critical player within the white house. he has provided us with a lot of relevant information to the activities that were occurring in the white house to the right up to january six and we are really grateful that he came and spoke with our committee. >> do you think mr. cipollone -- or some of this are cipollone's comments on video tomorrow? >> like we had in so many previous hearings we like to tell the story through the voices of the republican staff members and white house members that had firsthand experience of these situations. and certainly mr. cipollone will be one of those voices. >> in terms of these right-wing extremist groups, alleged ties to trump assoc

january six committee member, congresswoman stephanie murphy, explain what happened to my colleague, nicole wallace, earlier today. >> what happened, however, is they received for requests from congressional committees on january 16th to preserve records. they had this planned migration for the 25th, i believe, of january. nobody, along the way, stop to think, well, maybe we shouldn't do the migration of data, and of the devices, until we are able to fulfill these for requests from congress. they moved ahead with their efforts to migrate the devices, and the data. their process, as explain to us was, simply, to leave it to the agents to determine whether or not there was anything on their phones worth saving, that was necessary to say, for federal records. as a result, today, they did not receive any texts from their agents when they made that transition that was flagged for preservation. >> so, it was up to secret service agents to just decide to preserve documents, they thought were relevant. shockingly, it looks like none did. a lot, for an organization that insists, it has nothin

>> tomorrow it will be jamie raskin and stephanie murphy leading that hearing. but the goal of the hearing >> i'm sorry here the week after that's right. >> one of the things that led up to january 6th in a sense, what was the call to action? what mechanisms were used to reach these people, to incite this violence? and what's the venn diagram? when you think about these violence extremist groups, the oath keepers incited violence that day. let's take that and creative a venn diagram for all the people who were close to them and were close to people in the white house. we have to connect those dots as zoe lofgren said. as we paint this picture, we will see what the plot was. we have seen elements of the plot from the collectors, the pressure on president chance, trying to influence the department of justice. now the story about the violence and how did this plot turn into a violent insurrection. so that is really the next phase of were laying out tomorrow. >> you don't really have to play six degrees of separation to get from people smashing in the windows and pr

with this now, stephanie murphy. thanks for being with us. you heard the reporting about the december 18, 2020 meeting in the white house. i know you won't or can't reveal many details tonight, but can you say whether trump white house counsel pat cipollone has enhanced the councils understanding of the meeting? >> mr. cipollone was a critical player in the white house and has provided us with a lot of relevant information to the activities that were occurring in the white house in the run- up to january 6. we are thankful that he came to speak with our committee. >> you think we can expect to hear his comments or some of his comments on video tomorrow? >> like we haven't so many previous hearings, we really like to tell the story through the voices of the republican staff members and white house members that had first-hand experience of these situations and certainly, mr. cipollone will be one of those voices. >> in terms of these right wing extremist groups ties to register and michael flynn, that will be a focus tomorrow, or at least a par

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one committee member, representative stephanie murphy of florida, told me that they would look at how people to be at the january 6th, was a clarion call to these groups and will show how social media platforms allowed people to organize and how all of this really snow balled into what ended up happening on january 6th. as for witnesses, the committee hadn't announced publicly yet but we're expecting to hear, one source told me that we would be hearing from a guy by the name of jason van tatenhove, who is a former spokesperson for the oathkeepers. he left the group several years ago, but this is the kind of person that could speak to the sort of far right organization that they are. and we might also hear from other sorts of experts, or people that can speak to how these extremist groups function. >> spokesperson for the oathkeepers perhaps the most generous pr, we have been led to believe that there would be a second hearing this week, a prime time hearing on thursday and some suggestion it might be the grand finale, sort of painting the three hours that trump spent in the white hous

. >>> joining our conversation, congresswoman stephanie murphy of florida, a member of the january 6th select committee, one of the lead questioners this afternoon. we have been playing some of the most shocking things that happened today, but make our job easy for us. what for you is the piece of information that you would love to be on the local news tonight and every market in the country and in the newspaper tomorrow? what for you is the most important thing that people should have taken from this hearing? >> i think the most important thing is that the president and his advisers all knew they didn't have the evidence that they had lost the election, and yet, they misled people. and as a result of the lies that they told and the encouragement they gave to average americans as well as violent extremists, those people took actions. people died, people were injured, and some of these people's lives will never be the same. i think you saw from mr. ayers, he was just a trump supporter and, you know, a family man who followed the direction of the president to come down to the capitol, an

. >> reporter: florida democrat stephanie murphy will leave some of the questioning during the hearing. she says a december tweet from mr. trump spurred his supporters. big protest in dc on january 6th, be there, will be wild. the committee is also expected to show excerpts of their friday interview with former white house counsel pat cipollone. >> he was aware of every major move that donald trump was making to try to overthrow the 20/20 election. >> reporter: after snubbing the committee for months, former white house adviser stephen bannon says he is now willing to testify, and prefers to do so publicly. investigators wants to know why bennett made this prediction, just one day before january 6th. >> all hell will break loose. >> been and is facing contempt of congress charges for stonewalling the committee. >>> a murder police thought basalt twice before, tonight, after 30 years they are confident this cold case is finally closed.'s budget has been an interesting roller coaster of emotions.'s budget is incredibly rewarding, and very emotional. to understand that we can have an impa

became a key moment in the january 6 committee's investigation as florida congresswoman stephanie murphyc's meet the press how that caused them to oregon and organize during today's hearing, murphy said the committee will focus on whether the trump administration coordinated january 6th with various extremist groups whose leaders and others are now facing rare sedition charges for their roles in the attack. the oath keepers have denied there was any plan to storm the u.s. capitol. donald trump was, of course, the central figure who set everything into motion on cbs news face the nation, maryland congressman jamie raskin said the committee will also highlight new testimony from former white house counsel pat cipollone. he was aware of every major move. i think the donald trump was making. >> to try to overthrow the 2020 election and essentially seize the presidency. this follows testimony from former white house aide cassidy hutchinson who told the committee trump knowingly sent armed supporters to the capitol and wanted to join them. trump denies her account, but the committee has said c

stephanie murphy said tomorrow's hearing will showcase this december 2020 tweet, mr. trump writing big protest in d.c. on january 6th, be there, will be wild. >> the president's tweet in the wee hours of decemb december 19th activated the groups and how the members of congress amplified that tweet and the tragic end result was january 6th. >> reporter: members of both far right groups have been accused of seditious conspiracy and raising money for the attack ahead of the sixth. recently, it's said they had bomb list. >> they came with explosives, armed and with maps of the capitol and with plans that extended beyond a peaceful protest. in many ways, they carried out the will, the pressure, the anger, they were the manifestation of that. >> reporter: and a committee member tells cbs news they'll play excerpts tomorrow of white house deposition with pat cipatcipollone who according tor witnesses tried to stop trump from challenging the election results and from joining the mob on january 6th. norah. >> o'donnell: that will bee full coverage of the january 6th hearing om

i spoke with stephanie murphy. they all that that he didn't diverge from the narrative that they had been compiling from other witnesses. the overall advice and mindset. i keep making a political argument. i think the legal arguments are so hard to make. they're so tough. look. i'm impressed with this committee. they're going to make this insurrection case, i think,

he sat down with the committee for more than seven hours and here's what stephanie murphy had to say.ere grateful that he was willing to come before the committee and share with us. of course, there were areas where he claimed privilege, but it was important for us to understand what the president's top legal adviser thought about the activities that were happening post-election and in the run-up to january 6th. >> and now on the eve of another critical hearing likely to reveal more damaging details about the conduct of the ex-president and his allies, the panel is having to contend with an offer to cooperate and testify from former trump adviser steve bannon. that offer comes on the eve of his federal trial for contempt of congress for defying his subpoena from the committee. bannon's about face was accompanied by a letter from donald trump. that letter says that the ex-president is waiving his claim of executive privilege so that bannon can testify. it is ridiculous. it was not relevant from when he was trying to get the white house records and it is not valid now because only a cur

it will be led by jamie raskin florida congresswoman stephanie murphy. there will be a spokesperson from the extremist group, the oath keepers. and stephen ayres who admitted storming the capital. he admitted saying it will be wild. another major focus will be taped testimony from pat cipollone who testified for several hours last week. he spoke to the committee after bombshell testimony from cassidy hutchison last month. >> he said something to the effect of, please make sure we don't go to the capital, cassidy . we are going to get charge with every crime imaginable if we make that movement happen. >> joining us to start our coverage this hour. we have our national security contributor and the leader for the show. you have in exclusive interview with maryland senator jamie raskin. what did he tell you about what we can expect to see today. >> we expect to see the committee focus on how the mob was amassed at the capital that day. they will take us through the timeline starting with this meeting december 18th between trump with outside legal advisors an

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stephanie murphy said ornato was evasive about the incident in question and adam kinzinger is drawing attention to instances where two former trump officials say tony ornato lied to them, saying there seems to be a major thread here, tony ornato likes to lie. clearly some very serious questions and concerns about tony ornato's credibility here, jim. i think the question now is whether any of these trump officials who are privately disputing this testimony are going to come forward and do so publicly and under oath. >> one thing to tweet about it, another thing to testify under oath. melanie zanona, thank you so much. >>> joining me now to discuss the legal aspects of this, ambassador norm eisen, a senior fellow at brookings institution. good to have you on, sir. i wonder, as we look at what we have learned about communications between people in trump world and some of these witnesses, there is almost a mafia don quality to some of the communications as described by witnesses, you know, the president, the former president believes you will be loyal, et cetera. i wonder what is the lega

representative stephanie murphy said this about the convergence and how the committee plans to address this on tuesday's hearing. >> we will lay out the body of evidence that we have that talks about how the president's tweet on the wee hours of december 19th, be there or be wild, that was a siren call to these folks. and we will talk in detail about wet that caused them to do, how it caused them to organize as well as who else was amplifying that message. >> so messaging is a key part, both in how the groups like the oath keepers who were using their own propaganda to raise money and grow in prominence, as well as president trump and his allies, using the messaging of a rigged election and how all of these converge on january 6th. now, as you mentioned, there are a lot of other factors at play ahead of these highly anticipated hearings this week. steve bannon, who wrote a letter to the committee overnight saying that president trump waved his executive privilege and therefore bannon is willing to testify. in fact, prefers to testify publicly. it remains to be seen at the committee wil

let's bring in a member of the house select committee, congresswoman stephanie murphy. thank you for joining us. let's start with these video outtakes, taped on january 7th. we're told that trump refused to stay the election resulting were settled, he attempted to call the rioters patriots. how would you describe these outtakes? >> i'm not going to spoil the hearing tonight out of respect for my colleagues. what we should focus on and look for tonight is the contrast between the two members of the select committee who are both people who have sworn the oath while they were in uniform, as well as members of congress to uphold the constitution against threats, foreign and domestic. we'll see a contrast to what they did, and what they are doing right fonow, and what the president did on january 6th. as commander in chief, did he uphold his constitutional oath to defend this country as the u.s. capitol was under attack? >> you're referring, of course, to congressman kinzinger, republican from illinois, who served in the air force, and a congresswoman who served with the nav

congressman jamie raskin of maryland, congresswoman stephanie murphy of florida, they're gonna be the two leaders of the hearing tomorrow. congressman raskin, this weekend, on cbs, saying, effectively, president trump set them off, pulled their trigger. and you know we've got a lot of show to get to tonight. there's a lot going on, a lot of news. as we look ahead to the hearing tomorrow night, i will just close by making, making one last point. because it's me, it's a two part point, but it is one point. and it's about sort of what's getting attention out of this hearing tomorrow. i think there is one thing that's getting way too much attention out of tomorrow's hearing. it's sort of a variant of interest, but i really don't think it's substantively that important, so if you're looking to kind of like safe brain space, like which i focus on? and what can i ignore? i think there's something that's got that ton of noise in the past day or two, that actually deserves very little attention, and you can wipe that part of a hard drive. there's also something now that isn't getting nearly en

joining us now congressman stephanie murphy of florida, member of the january 6th select committee who, of course, led the last public hearing of the hearing. thank you for spending time with us today. >> it's good to be with you. >> i wonder if we can start with the secret service. it feels like they are inviting skepticism and scrutiny in terms of what they're providing. can you tell us what was provided to the committee, just categories of what you received? >> sure. we received a letter in response to our subpoena on -- we received a letter today that did provide us with a lot of documents and some data. however, we did not receive the additional text messages that we were looking for. the explanation that the secret service has given is that they were in the middle of -- they were planning a migration of sorts. what happened though is they received four requests from congressional committees in -- on january 16th to preserve records, and they had this planned migration for the 25th, i believe, of january. and nobody along the way stopped and thought, well, maybe we shouldn't do th

he will have exclusive interviews with representative stephanie murphy, as well as maryland governor larry hogan. plus, commerce secretary gina raimondo and kera swisher. we hope you stick around. >>> coming up in about 30 minutes, we speak to larry hurston for our weekly segment. we take a look at gun laws in the u.s. and how they differ from other countries in the wake of recent mass shootings. crews now how the upper hand on the electro fire. it's 72% contained and evacuation orders have been reduced to just warnings. before crews gained control of the fire, nearly 100 visitors were trapped inside a campground in amador county. surrounded by flames, they took cover in this building. they were led there by a pg&e worker who does routine checkups in the workhouse and had the keys to get inside. >> we been through floods and fires and storms. and so we know it can sustain pretty much everything. so it was probably the safest place anyone of us could go. >> wow, what luck. a state inside the powerhouse for 6 hours. after some of the flames died down, they were able to safely escape th

but after initially being hopeful that the data could be recovered, committee member stephanie murphyd otherwise on msnbc last night. >> we received a letter today that did provide us with a lot of documents and some data. however, we did not receive the additional text messages that we were looking for. they received four requests from congressional committees on january 16th to preserve records. and they have this planned migration for the 25th, i believe, of january. and nobody along the way stopped and thought, well, maybe we shouldn't do the migration of data and of the devices until we are able to fulfill these full requests from congress. >> the requests for those records initially came from the department of homeland securities inspector general who told the house committee in a briefing last week that the secret service failed to provide all relevant material for dhs's own probe into the capitol attack. now, the national archives says it, too, is investigating the possible unauthorized deletion of text messages giving the secret service 30 days to submit a report into how the

charges for seditious conspiracy, that's 20 years in prison, congressman jamie raskin of maryland, stephanie murphy of florida, the two leaders of the hearingor tomorrow, congressman raskin this weekend on cbs saying effectively that president trump set them off, pulled their trigger. and you know, we've got a lot of get to tonight. there's a lot going on. a lot of news. but i just, as we look ahead to the hearing tomorrow night, i want to just close by making one last point. because it's me. it's a two-part point. but it is one point. and it's about what is getting attention ahead of this hearing tomorrow. i think it is one thing that is getting way too much attention ahead of tomorrow's hearing, it is sort of prurient interest but substantively not that important, and save brain space, and who should i focus on and what should i ignore and a ton of noise and it deserves little attention and wipe that part of the hard drive. and there is something that is not nearly getting enough attention and what we should look out for and what should be more important e here, we will treat it in more detail to

this is stephanie murphy. >> mr. ornado did not have as clear of memories from this period of time as i would say miss hutchinson said, if that's a fair assessment. >> she's trying to be careful there. >> adam kinzinger said there seems to be a major threat here. ornado likes to lie. if he is, and he is saying hutchinson didn't have it right, do you bring him in or let it go? >> the committee clearly wants to bring in ornado again. we know from sources that ornado has been in twice with them. there were questions about his testimony when he came in in the spring. you're right. that's the risk now if he comes in and if he -- if there was some way in which he would come and testify publicly. these have been closely choreographed affairs. the hearings. other than the hutchinson hearing, they've been making more use of recorded testimony and documents in the hearing than live witnesses. partially because that's something you control. you can't control a live witness as much. >> help me from a legal perspective. does the

so those names are going to be heard today in the hearings from the mouths of stephanie murphy and jamie raskin, and it will be interesting to see how those members react, if they comment, if they attack the committee the way they had been doing for weeks or if they decide, perhaps under legal advice, to stay quiet. >> that leads us to a reminder i think of what attorney general merrick garland told us, that he and doj investigators are watching these hearings very closely in realtime. i mentioned a moment ago the great story in "the new york times" that outlines how cassidy hutchinson's disclosures have helped put trump's actions into sharper focus for the justice department. the co-author of that article, katie benner is on the phone with us now. it seems as though hutchinson let those doj officials climbed the rungs on the ladder heading to the top. >> certainly. i think until cassidy hutchinson trump was very rarely mentioned. we talked to people who said it almost felt like they couldn't mention him unless it was in the context of a motivating factor for those that attacked the capi

he'll be joined by congresswoman stephanie murphy of florida, who will ask most of the questions of the witnesses and lead the presentation. alison, this has obviously been a point that raskin has been talking about for a long time, that the right wing groups played a big role in causing the chaos on january 6th. tomorrow we'll see if the committee has evidence that they had direct connections to people close to donald trump. >> that will be fascinating. and, ryan, the committee was expected to wrap up their public hearings this week. has that changed? >> reporter: there were some preliminary plans for the committee to hold their hearing that relates to the 187 minutes of the capitol siege and what donald trump was or was not doing during that time during a prime-time hearing on thursday. the committee never officially advised it or made it known they were going to have that hearing. i'm now told they've decided to postpone that hearing and it could be because of this big deposition that they had last friday with former white house counsel pat cipollone. they obviously talked to him for

the important thing here, according to congresswoman stephanie murphy, is he didn't contradict any of testimony we've heard already from key witnesses like cassidy hutchinson. listen. >> it provides us another perspective on what was happening in the white house in those weeks running up to january 6th that were so critically important. >> did he confirm testimony that cassidy hutchinson gave? >> i think there was a lot of information that fit into this bigger puzzle we're putting together and we have different voices telling about the same meeting and more or less telling the same narrative. >> reporter: the committee is sort of selecting its word carefully here. you'll notice they're not saying he confirmed cassidy hutchinson's account of several things he said, for example, that he said they would be charged with every crime in the book if trump went to the hill on the 6th or they would have blood on their hands. but they are saying he didn't contradict the testimony of prior people like cassidy hutchinson. that's important. >> there's a lot of risk for the committee with steve ban

i asked congressman stephanie murphy, who was one of the questioners yesterday in the january 6th panel doing this questioning how they still knew that. here's what she said. >> how did they know this? is there a phone call between either one of them and somebody within the white house, does the phone log show that donald trump had a conversation with mike lindell about this in the days leading up to january 6th? how did they know that he was going to say it? >> well, with lindell, katrina pearson is the one who e-mailed him, i believe, and said this is what the president is going to do. as it relates to ally alexander, i don't know. what i do know is that the president knows who ally alexander is and has spoken about him in previous meetings to the january 6th. >> what do you make of that, ben? >> well, it appears in the last couple of weeks before january 6th he was much closer with his coms to the crazies, as liz cheney put them, than he was to his regular advisers. at some point you have to ask the question how could he not know that the violence was going to happen? you know, these

. >> let me ask you this way, congresswoman stephanie murphy on the committee said in her mind there were some hazy answers that tony ornato gave. he didn't seem to have a good recollection of a lot of stuff. adam kinzinger who sits on the committee on twitter basically retweeted some stuff and said there is a basic common thread here and what he was seeing on twitter that tony ornato lies. this was adam kinzinger said there. do you have any reason to question congresswoman murphy or congressman kinzinger in their opinions here? >> i can't say anything about what i witnessed during the private interview that was conducted of tony ornato. but i will say i don't have any reason to dispute what the members said. >> speak hypothetically about this, we don't know what tony ornato said specifically to the committee. but what would a problem be with a witness who maybe doesn't speak to an incident, and then is trying to say later that that account didn't happen. is that problematic ever when you have someone who is trying to say, well, i would remember if that had happened, even if the reco

i've got two key guests in studio with me tonight, congresswoman stephanie murphy from the january 6th select committee and d.c. police officer daniel hodges. so glad you are both here. he defended the capitol that very day. you remember this video of him being crushed in a door, as he fought valiantly to keep the rioters out. i want to thank both of you for being here. we're going to launch into the the fact that pompeo may be testifying. i want to recognize this moment here. it was about a year ago to the date where you testified on the hill and the two of you were in that hearing room and you had an opportunity to thank this officer for helping you to go home that day. i want to remind the public of what that moment was like. >> i have a 10-year-old son and a 7-year-old daughter. they're the light of my life. and the reason i was able to hug them again was because of the courage that you and your fellow officers showed that day. >> we all remember that. i see in your eyes right now that it's difficult to even relive that and to hear that and the humility that you showed in that mome

you heard at the top of your show what representative is stephanie murphy said about what to expect in those hearings this week, but she also kind of hinted it while we might hear from another key trump aide. pat cipollone, whose testimony was also highly sought after, spoke with a committee for more than eight hours on friday. here's what she said about the committee's interview with him. >> are we going to see much of mr. cipollone's testimony on tuesday? for the first hearing this week? >> we are always receiving new information from a lot of different sources. we are trying to pull the information from what the american people most need to hear. i imagine you'll be hearing things from mr. cipollone, but also from others that were in the white house. the focus on this next hearing will be on the domestic violent extremists, as well as members of the congress. people that the president called and to assist them in this pressure campaign. >> at everything seemed to come to a head in a december 18th meeting that will come of quite a bit this week. the committee members are really focus

today's hearing was led by two members of congress, stephanie murphy of florida and jamie raskin of maryland. congressman raskin will be our guest tonight live not too long from now. but before we speak with him about today's revelations from the investigation, we are first going to recap what those revelations were. we are conscious of the historic implications of this hearing. >> the watergate hearings which were equally historic and consequential for the country. they were equally inconvenient to watch, live as they happened, the watergate hearings, like today's january six hearing, were held in the middle of the workday. that is just not convenient for most americans, particularly when the hearings are hours long like today's was. our predecessors in the news business either re-aired or re-capped watergate hearings every night in primetime when that investigation was underway in 1973. we know now looking back at history that that was a good decision by news organizations back then. it was a service to the country at the time in a -- lot, so we here at msnbc have committed to do the same

you heard stephanie murphy talk about his recollection being hazy and you saw adam kinzinger's flat out tweets suggesting that tony ornato may lie on occasion. it makes you wonder whether or not they're trying to smoke it out to some extent. >> it's possible, john, but it's also possible -- look, we know that cassidy hutchinson was a very cooperative witness. you can see not just in the testimony we saw live last week but in the video testimony she gave prior to that live testimony, she is clearly providing the full extent of her knowledge about each of the questions she's asked. it's possible that ornato was not a very compliant, cooperating witness. he may have hedged his answers. he may have appeared to have been overly restrictive about the things that he was saying or not trying to remember things particularly hard. it's easy when under testimony, when under questioning, to say i don't remember instead of actually, you know, really pushing yourself to kind of redredge these memories. so they may have other complaints or concerns with mr. ornato that are beyond those we know out in

. >> that's the focus for congressman raskin and stephanie murphy, the two lawmakers expected to be leading this hearing tomorrow. their focus is not just on extremist groups. that's something ben knows well and we'll hear details tomorrow from people like the former spokeperson for the oath keepers as they talk about the way those organizations recruit but of course the central focus for this committee has always been tying all of these seemingly disparate threads and theories back to the man at the center of all of it, former president donald trump. that's something they've saved repeatedly on the sunday shows, both raskin and murphy that things like trump tweet on december 19th, telling people to be there and be wild on january 6th, that those were things that murphy called a siren call, not just to extremist groups but to everyone else who came to the capitol on january 6th. so the committee trying to weave the narrative of how we got to this place on the 6th and where trump's role was in it. >> so how does ben figure into all of this? he left the group many years ago, was not involved

stephanie murphy, a democrat from florida who isn't running for re-election, i should point out, tookria, who has -- you know, she's in a vulnerable place right now in her election. it's a very competitive race for her in november. she said that she thinks that, offers support for the strategy, saying they should be casting as much attention on these pro-trump election deniers as possible. and jamie raskin gave as always, a very thoughtful response that he could see both sides and it was interesting not edge came out and condemned this practice by the democratic party after what the committee has been doing for so long and railing against these people who have really called into question the legitimacy of the 2020 reresults. >> yes, on "morning joe" yesterday, they seemed to offer an endorsement of the strategy. to your point it's really a division. it does seem those in the white house and close to democrats say they're worried about this that they worry it's undercutting the message that some things are more important, that politics itself is at stake, if you're trying to prop up th

questions based on the fact that the secret service did delete this information which representative stephanie murphy right to say this was too important to mismanage or mishandle or delete, especially in the days after a violent attack on our capitol. >> indeed. the story, this is going to be on thursday focused on the 187 minutes, but the story is developing in multiple directions at one time, and i know you're covering a lot of these developments n.georgia now the fake elector scheme which was part and parcel of donald trump's overall plan to stay in power where the fake electors he wanted to pressure mike pence to accept, that was part of the plan, part of the reason that the pressure was on him. now they face potential charges in georgia, all 16 of these georgia fake electors have been informed they could face criminal charges. attorneys representing 11 of them said they have reluctantly invoked their fifth amendment right after receiving target letters. you who lindy graham who has now agreed to accept a subpoena. that's now the georgia case. in terms of trump world, where do the worries lie mo

judy: representative stephanie murphy of florida read from a text exchae between two trump campaign advisors, including one-time campaign manager brad parscale, who after the events of january 6, blamed his former boss. >> mr. parscale said, quote, "this is about trump pushing for uncertainty in our country, a sitting president asking for civil war." and then when he said, "this week i feel guilty for helping him win." katrina pierson responded, "you did what you felt right at the time and therefore it was right." mr. parscale added, "yeah, but a woman is dead." and "yeah, if i was trump, and i knew my rhetoric killed someone." when miss pearson replied it wasn't the rhetoric, mr. parscale said "katrina. yes, it was." judy: and for more on what we learned from the hearing, i'm joined by our congressional correspondent lisa desjardins and white house correspondent laura barron-lopez. good evening to both of you. you were in the hearing room. let's start by talking about that dramatic confrontation inside the white house, december 2020. it was about whether and how to overturn the elections. >

became a key moment in the january 6 committee's investigation as florida congresswoman stephanie murphy told nbc's meet the press how that caused them to oregon and organize during today's hearing, murphy said the committee will focus on whether the trump administration coordinated january 6th with various extremist groups whose leaders and others are now facing rare sedition charges for their roles in the attack. the oath keepers have denied there was any plan to storm the u.s. capitol. donald trump was, of course, the central figure who set everything into motion on cbs news face the nation, maryland congressman jamie raskin said the committee will also highlight new testimony from former white house counsel pat cipollone. he was aware of every major move. i think the donald trump was making to try to overthrow the 2020 election and essentially seize the presidency. this follows testimony from former white house aide cassidy hutchinson who told the committee trump knowingly sent armed supporters to the capitol and wanted to join them. trump denies her account, but the committee has sa

. >> that was 16 committee member, congresswoman stephanie murphy of florida, who said she mentionedll hear some of that testimony from pat cipollone, at tuesday's public hearing. the first of two 1/6 committee public hearings this coming week, which will focus on the role of the oath keepers and the proud boys, in carrying out the attack on the capitol, and what fellow committee member congressman jamie raskin called, it convergence in interests of those domestic violence extremists and donald trump. the indictment against the oath keepers already tells quite a tale. as the new justice department filing in fact, in which prosecutors in the, the violent extremist had a death list. they plan to start killing u.s. government officials on january the 6th, and they did not intend to stop until trump was returned to power. this, in addition to the weapons. we know that stockpiles. this 42 points on the outskirts of d.c., with teams, members ready to ferry them to the capitol, once it had been secured. we already knew about that. aaron minder, if we need one, of how many lives where a true

judy: representative stephanie murphy of florida read from a text exchange between two trump campaignors, iluding one-time campaign manager brad parscale, who after the events of january 6, blamed his former boss. >> he said, "this is about trump pushing for uncertainty in our country. a sitting president asking for civil war." he said, " i feel guilty for making him win. she responded, you did what you felt was right. yeah, but a woman is dead. if i was trump in new my rhetoric killed someone." "it was not the rhetoric." he said, "yes, it was." judy: and for more on what we learn from the hearing, i'm joined by our congressional correspondent lisa desjardins and white house correspondent laura barron-lopez. good evening to both of you. lisa, you were in the hearing room. let's start by talking about that dramatic confrontation inside the white house. it was december 2020, it was all about whether and how to overturn the election. tell us more. lisa: we are at the point where the committee is gog chronologically right up to january 6. this moment happened in the middle of december aft

with representative stephanie murphy adding, it will examine how the former presidents pressure mergesthe physical violence that was carried out in his name. the hearing is expected to include detailed descriptions, and dives into some of these groups, including the proud boys, and the oath keepers, both of which were central players in the attack, they include among their members, people who have pled guilty to conspiracy and seditious conspiracy. so far, the doj says that 855 people have been arrested for participating in the attacks. 90 of whom are charged with using a deadly or dangerous weapon, or causing serious bodily injury to an officer. 280 have been charged with obstructing, influencing or impeding an official proceeding. in this case, the certifying of the results of the election. about 50 people have been charged with conspiracy, three of whom who have pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy. more than 350 unidentified people accused of participating in the attack remain at large, including more than 250 who are accused of assaulting police officers. now joining me is a jus

became a key moment in the january 6 committee's investigation as florida congresswoman stephanie murphyld nbc's meet the press how that caused them to oregon and organize during today's hearing, murphy said the committee will focus on whether the trump administration coordinated january 6th with various extremist groups whose leaders and others are now facing rare sedition charges for their roles in the attack. the oath keepers have denied there was any plan to storm the u.s. capitol. donald trump was, of course, the central figure who set everything into motion on cbsonews face the nation. maryland congressman jamie raskin said the committee will also highlight new testimony from former white house counsel pat cipollone. he was aware of every major move. i think the donald trump was making. >> to try to overthrow the 2020 election and essentially seize the presidency. this follows testimony from former white house aide cassidy hutchinson who told the committee trump knowingly sent armed supporters to the capitol and wanted to join them. trump denies her account, but the committee has s

president's tweet on december 19th wasn't just a call to action, but a call to arms, as my colleague, stephanie murphyn the hearing. so, we're going to do just that. if there are new details and things to announce, the chairman will announce those at the appropriate time. >> how close do you think you are to the finish line of these hearings? >> well, we've understood from the minute that we took this assignment that this was going to be complicated. this was going to be big. and this was going to be important to protect our democracy. so, we're not guided by a clock or a congressional calendar. what we're doing is chasing the facts and trying to do our level best to protect democracy here and tell this full and complete story. so, we're going to take that as far as it can. ultimately, we will produce a report of our findings. but in the meantime, we're going to continue to to the work that the american people expect. >> as they often say, a marathon, not a sprint, it seems. representative pete aguilar, thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. >>> we're going to take what we just heard from the