have responded to this debate over asylum as stephen aiden was talking there about bbc leadership or being embroiled in this controversy right now. and i want to get back to a point that you were making earlier. one complicating factor in all. this is the issue of bbc's chairman richard sharp. he's a conservative party dorner, he's been linked to arranging a loan for former prime minister boars. johnson. he denies any conflict of interest, but there are prominent political voices in the u. k. calling for him to step down from his role at the b b. c. how much does all of this complicate the controversy? how much does it der, potentially damage the bbc even further? well, i think it lends weight that this is the problem. it lends weight to the sense that the b, b, c is surrendering to a right wing, a government agenda, charges it before i. i piles that question direct because come back to some of the aiden said because that, that linda could, his latest tweak, i think, was really classy because what he, i think he was doing 2 things. first of all, he was saying in the, in the scheme of