professor stephen barnes from george mason university is the author.irst of all, what did say gulag? in short, an acronym for the chief administration of canso was a bureaucratic institution but we use a much more erred generally to be in the soviet first labor system also internally exile people as well and to talk about the soviet penal system but also to help political prisoners. >> when and how they developed? >> the first labor camps start very eerie in the soviet period. london himself uses the term concentration camp to foot the enemies of the revolution into the confirmation camp and begin to use the idea of forced labor and to as a method to transform criminals but the deal expansion as to known as the multibillion dollar prisoner institution waits for the death of lebanon and the rise of stalin with the revolution from above. says he was in the midst of agriculture that takes away been forcing them to become state employees and there was a lot of resistance and some to send them off to siberia and to put she was part of the institution but wh

stephen a. barnes is the author. first of all, professor barnes, what is a gulag? >> guest: the gulag is -- in short -- well, it has two meetings. it's an acronym for a bureaucratic institution. but, of course, it's been used much more generally to mean primarily labor camps, but also a system of interimly-exiled people and some prisons as well. in the large part, we're talking about the soviet penal system, but also a system that held political prisoners in the soviet union. >> host: when and how were they developed? >> guest: the first lay wore camps -- labor camps start very early in the soviet period. lenin himself talks about the need to put the enemies of the revolution into concentration camps. and they start playing around after the revolution in 1917 with ideas of using no, forced r at various economic projects, but also using labor as was common in penology at this time as a method of trying to reform or transform criminals. but the real expansion of the gulag to what we kind of know it as, this huge, multimillion prisoner institution, really waits for th