amy: back to stephen behnke who just left his week -- his position last week.rt says while working at the apa, head of the ethics division, the report says the pentagon gave him a secret contract to help train interrogators. is that news to you, stephen soldz dr. stephen soldz? >> we learned it a couple of months ago, psychologists and journalists wrote about it and we also heard about it from other sources. he was training the so-called biscuit psychologist, behavior science consultants, those who consult to interrogations at guantÁnamo, at the military facility that trains interrogators. this was evidently, napa contract. the money went to apa. so they were directly working -- the amount of money was not big. the big story here is not the financial corruption, but how close the ties were that he was actually working for them. amy: ultimately, dr. stephen soldz what did the apa had to gain by doing this after you talk about turning a blind eye. and in the involvement of american psychologist in the torture program actually allow it to continue, gave it the leg

and this fantasy was brought home toe by the ethics director stephen behnke.brought in, supposedly according to the hoffman report, as a latina for diversity. unfortunate, latina here met someone with sicilian mafia background, instead of across the border. and the manipulation began very early on. for instance, i was -- seating was not at random or by choice, i was seated on one side by morgan banks, who was the head of the biscuit psychologist, and on the other side, the now president who was at that time the liaison from the apa board to the task force. and as i felt later, not at the time, and as was borne out in the hoffman report, behnke especially, was the person chosen to manipulate me, as well as -- banks was the person chosen to manipulate me, as well as stephen behnke. they would come up to me the hallway and say, we are so gratified your here with your other point of view will stop we really need to hear from you. please, keep informing us. what we're doing right here now is just the first stage in the ideas that you are bringing up will continue t