most nonfiction but i know you've been here -- did you call write something with stephen cohen's? >> and harold coyle. >> were you kind of their

. >> well, this is an unfair question -- stephen cohen here -- but a perfect question for you to endour day with. in light of current events, some people would say a new cold war or a renewed cold war between russia and the united states, people have begun to think -- historians, not only -- both in russia and europe and now here -- did the cold war really end? we can't answer that question today, maybe, but historians maybe a decade from now will look back and reopen that question of whether the cold war, as we called that phenomena, actually ended or took a kind of twenty-three-year different form, a recess, because of circumstances. you above all probably could help us at least think about how to think about this question, looking back and ahead. >> ok. >> well, i'll answer that question first. and then i'll-- >> we'll end with the other. >> -- answer the great men question. if one argues that the cold war never ended, then one will also argue that what is happening now in central europe and in the ukraine was inevitable and that therefore, if a cold war restarts, it is really a r

most nonfiction but i know you've been here -- did you call write something with stephen cohen's? >> and harold coyle. >> were you kind of their export? >> with steve i contributed the two original fiction anthologies at his request. steve has just been marvelous friend and colleague. in 1984 our mutual publisher sent me a manuscript written by vietnam war aviator called for each other, and the publisher asked my opinion. i said this book is so good, if you don't publish it, i will. and next year it was published in spite of the true. so steve and i have kept in touch ever since. and then the harold coyle trilogy was for tor forge. he came up with the concept of a foreign military contractor that does deny the work for the us government all over the world. that was a trilogy that was a fun change of pace for me because i hadn't been many things in the thriller realm at that time. so that was an education. >> i'm sure it was. and you're a wonderful writer. i think your nonfiction reads with all the pulse of fiction and a thriller. you grew up flying airplanes? where did all this av

want to bring in stephen cohen. thanks for being with us.ds do not exist at this point when it comes to police involved incidents? >> there's no requirement of reporting of killings or shootings of police using deadly force. last day of congress there was a bill that got through which was commendable that requires reporting some details including the use of deadly force by an officer. reporting who the victims are. my bill would include the victim and the officer and the officer being allowed to say in a record why he kept deadly force, what non lethal forms of force he tried to use and better explanation of what went on. this needs to be known to have a clear record of where and when deadly force is used and if it's used in excess in this country. >> you were an attorney that dealt with police forces. how would this single clearinghouse of information like this how would it help perhaps reduce these confrontations? >> i think its puts the focus on the issue that needs to happen from the objective perspective. right now there's been focus be