. >> i did have a little help from the director stephen frears. >> he knows a little thing or two. but did you have to convince him to do this? >> he responded quickly. he got on the phone, he's quite a cantankerous guy but he has a heart of gold and he said that he found it very intriguing and interesting. he told me to watch a film called "it happened one night" with clark gable. i was -- a 60-year-old film. it's another kind of -- like an odd couple buddy-buddy road movie which is what this film is in a way. so i sat down and watched that and he points out the limitations of the script. he wanted clarity. the film is about faith as much as about cynicism and intuition versus intellect. he was intrigued by it because it was about -- he's jewish and he said -- and i'm -- i was raised catholic and he said this is your world. >> rose: irish c.a.t. stphreubg. >> i risch catholic but stephen said to me this is your world so he would defer to me. but because he's outside that in some ways culturally he had a kind of objectivity about it. he could say i don't know what this means or mak