. >>> joining us is abc news consultant colonel stephen ganyard and, steve, should travel be banned altogetherst travel there to north korea? >> robin, it's not a matter of if, it's if they could so remember these tour groups are run out of china so even a congressional act is going to have very limited way to deter any american that wants to go there. if you think back in the day when people wanted to go to cuba they always found a way so i think if people really want to go to north korea no law will stop them. >> what do you make of the arguments the tour company should be held responsible in some kind of way? >> well, part of this is caveat emptor, the buyer beware. you need to think about where you're going and w you saw gio put up that site, very slick site that makes it look like some sort of third world disney world. it's not, a dangerous place. >> do you have suggestions on if you are going to travel there how you can try and stay safe? >> ironically, robin, traveling in north korea is actually quite safe. they want tourists to come in. they need the hard currency so otto warmbier was