joining us is stephen hayes, senior wririter for the weekly standard, fox news contributor. stephen, let me begin first by saying good to have you here. secondly, the "60 minutes" basically took the word of the fbi that his account, morgan jones' account, his pseudonym, varied from the account given in a debrief in the uk. is that correct? >> yeah, and certainly differed in some significant and striking ways from the account that this mr. jones included in his book. and i think the fbi's right on that. i think there are discrepancies in the account. i think he looked uneasy even on that initial "60 minutes" story telling the account. i think it was pretty clear that lara logan had some questions about his veracity because she asked him as he's telling the story about climbing this 12-foot wall and hitting a jihadist in the head with the butt of his rifle, she stops him and says did anybody else see this, and he says no. that of courseoesn't mean that he wasn't telling the truth, obviously, but it means that she thought to ask him a little bit more about whether what he was s

weekly standard stephen hayes asking more questions about benghazi that the administration benghazi that the administration do at od, whatever business you're in, that's the business we're in. with premium service like one the best on-time delivery records and a low claims ratio, we do whatever it takes to make your business our business. od. helping the world keep promises. lou: cbs' 60 minutes issued a rare apology for a 2 week old piece about the terrorist attack in benghazi, the source, a man who used pseudonym morgan jones. he claimed high riched compound the night of the attack, the apology revealed nothing new about why they trusted jones in the first place who lied about the account -- accused of lying about it to his employer and the fbi. thre cia witnesses to that attack are set to testify in a closed-dooression before hse intellence subcommittee later this week. my first guess has been reporting on the attack since the first day saying it could offer significant contradicts to obama administration's account. steven, let me begin, by saying good to have you here. secondly, this

stephen hayes is a senior writer for the weekly standard and a fox news contributor. do you think this new date is a coincidence? >> yeah. just a coincidence, jon, nothing to do with the elections whatsoever. i think it was just a data they happened to pick. no, look, of course it has something to do with the elections. i think virtually everybody in washington -- including some democrats and people associated with democrats aye spoken with -- have acknowledged this has to do with the elections and that the white house is making a calculated decision to take a political hit now for whatever negative publicity they get from moving the date back to avoid a similar kind of hit for the kinds of, you know, details that would be coming out in the days before the election next year. jon: hhs, department of health and human services, that made this ruling say they are just doing it so that the insurers have more time to gather information about the folks who were signing up. does that hold water? >> well, i mean, look, that's not a crazy notion. i mean, it is true that the in

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let's bring in our panel, stephen hayes, julie pace, white house correspondent for the "associated pressd tucker carlson. steve? >> the problem is if they came down the website until it's right, that's likely to be six months and long beyond that. then you get into the problems we discussed before. you have the sickest people signing up. you have other people incapable of signing up. do you penalize them? do you not? it creates, i think, and exacerbates a set of problems the white house doesn't want to deal with. if the white house doesn't make this decision now, they get themselves further into trouble and make the ultimate decision that much more difficult. i think these are the kinds of things being debated behind closed doors at the white house and elsewhere with ceos of insurance companies and others. we've got to make a decision. what do we do and when do we make this decision? every day that passes, i think they can make their problems that much more difficult. >> they are trying to lower expectations, clearly, julie. dan pfeiffer this weekend on abc. >> our goal is to get as many

. >> stephen hayes is with us now. we will go back into the hearing in the moment.re do we think we are based on what we have watch for the past 35 minutes? >> i think the news is clearly part of the obvious skepticism about the administration's decision to move forward, and it's a decision not to suspend the website. not to put the website off-line for a while. he was very clear in his questioning that he was skeptical of the decisions that were made and he pushed her and she didn't provide very clear answers as to why they have decided not to. she did the same thing when senator orin hatch asked her about privacy questions. she begged the questions by saying that in effect we decided not to delay the launch because we decided not to delay the launch. bill: she also said the standards were met for the rollout, which is contradicted by the fact that she pretty much admits that there was no testing done before they went live. reporter: that's right, she mentioned this with respect to the privacy that they had had this outside group that had run some questions in the