and stephen jacob says that animals can be hunted asset k, i think is it go on thing is to me is make sure that the guy, the, the animal or the prize taken on the most cleanly and, and most you main way that these don't take shots too far away, don't food if you're not 100 percent. sure that you're actually going to kill that animal. if it's fenced in a small little fence and it's 100, it's going to be really called a pro fee on that. you. the other thing because collecting because that's basically what it is that animal is good neutrons to get to what. so what is what is truly fee or ethical behind? but we would need to learn of other practices that are controversial, even among hunters. gemini is most important and help us to a trophy hunting lives in bavaria. chef on one village works for the international council for game and wildlife conservation, or see how i see there's been us on the phone. when i 1st started looking into the trophy hunting issue, i was pretty know you and probably with an added to that many have dismissive because everyone knows these pictures you home, every

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of the skin. wildlife conservation is underfunded and trophies can offset the shortfalls that stephen jacob's documents. at least you can order on this conservancy without gross animals on this conservancy. it gives a purpose to the animals. if there is no purpose to the animals, the animals is not going to survive at the end of the day. the isn't it good to be able to sacrifice one of those poles in order to make all of the others live in this area? because that one who can do the protein that we give to the villages for that area, that one boat can do cash payments for the area. and it actually gives value to the elephant instead one. the one thing is clear. humans are responsible for the know numbers of elephants. the elephant population has declined dramatically in the 20th century. mainly because they were hunted for the ivory. population stabilized at low levels in the 19 ninety's. and says all to use it, elephants are especially abundance in areas where hunting revenues fund conservation meshes. and steve and jacob says that animals can be hunted asset k. i think i think a lot thing is

the former labour mp stephen pound , stephen, it's pretty pound, stephen, it's pretty grubby, isn't it, jacobacob no it isn't. >> jacob no it isn't. >> let's get a couple of things absolutely straight. >> let's let's drag this into the daylight and get away from this ghastly conspiracy theory, this ghastly conspiracy theory, this armageddon that people seem to be promulgating. but look, lord alli is a member of parliament. he had a temporary pass for 21 days, and that's finished. and it's gone. that's over compared to remember. david cameron appointed 11 people as special advisers. boris johnson, the veritable sultan of sleaze, putting people into the house of lords with no experience. but let me sorry . let me sorry. >> well, lord alli himself was put into the house of lords, aged 34. it was a very young appointment at the time by tony blair, with an extremely impressive back back history. >> yeah, one of the most successful television producers in the country and a huge, huge wealth earner for this country, >> but that it's very unusual to give passes to downing street to random peers who a

jacob rees—mogg, remember him or it's something that's needed. >> i mean, if you listen to or look at the work of another fellow gb news reporter, stephen eggintonxposed egginton, the stuff he's exposed in the home office with all their work programmes, you wonder how these people manage to find the time to do anything else, right? there's clearly an over sort of employment of civil servants. it needs to be cut . servants. it needs to be cut. people like sue gray were always going to oppose it because they have their own chief of staff to keir starmer, chief of staff to keir starmer, chief of staff to keir starmer. they have their own culture in the civil service. and that's what she comes from. >> nelson moutaz ahmed is right, isn't it? it's far easier, frankly, to add jobs to than cut them. cutting jobs is really, really hard. and in the private sector really hard and virtually impossible in the state sector. >> but they will be cut anyway . >> but they will be cut anyway. despite this, i mean, what the tories were doing was coming up with an with an arbitrary target. let's get rid of 60, 66,000 civil servants that will solve all the problems.

jacob rees—mogg, remember him or it's something that's needed. >> i mean, if you listen to or look at the work of another fellow gb news reporter, stephen eggintonexposed egginton, the stuff he's exposed in the home office with all their work programmes, you wonder how these people manage to find the time to do anything else, right? there's clearly an over sort of employment of civil servants. it needs to be cut . servants. it needs to be cut. people like sue gray were always going to oppose it because they have their own chief of staff to keir starmer, chief of staff to keir starmer, chief of staff to keir starmer. they have their own culture in the civil service. and that's what she comes from. >> nelson moutaz ahmed is right, isn't it? it's far easier, frankly, to add jobs to than cut them. cutting jobs is really, really hard. and in the private sector really hard and virtually impossible in the state sector. >> but they will be cut anyway . >> but they will be cut anyway. despite this, i mean, what the tories were doing was coming up with an with an arbitrary target. let's get rid of 60, 66,000 civil servants that will solve all the problems