francine: state your case, stephen kinnock. mr. an: i -- stephen: i think it is disappointing that there is this focus on the blue on blue war. one would be better is if we had a proper discussion about what a post brexit u.k. would look like. doneeave campaign has nothing to help us understand that. the 2 millionith british people living outside the u.k.? it has become a little bit of a false debate. i call it only half a referendum. francine: do you rebuke accusations that the problem with your side is that everything is negative? stephen: i think there's a great opportunity for us to win on the 23rd of june. presidency british coming in 2017. let's set up a positive view. the u.k. has been 114, 1 foot out. let's make a positive and engaged place. i'm not one of those who sort of stands up and says, you have is done to us. not at all. we are at the negotiating table. let's win on the 23rd, but then let's have a complete re-imagination of our relationship with the eu. turkeye: lord lawson, could join the eu, but it is not joining t

francine: state your case, stephen kinnock. mr. jonathan: i -- stephen: i think it is disappointing that there is this focus on the blue on blue war. one would be better is if we had a proper discussion about what a post brexit u.k. would look like. doneeave campaign has nothing to help us understand that. the 2 millionith

to stay in the eu is british mp stephen kinnock.n a conflict zone, he argues that britain receives a range of benefits from emerson, even if it costs some sovereignty. >> it has done is pretty well, we have seen growth and security and peace. you need to give a little bit in order to get something back. i see sovereignty like a boomerang. he throw it out there, pull it back, and a little comes back to you. you end up stronger, sometimes that means compromise, but we are adults. we should be living in an adult world, insuring we make a patriotic case for the eu. sarah: you can watch the rest of that interview on the latest edition of conflict zone on dw's dedicated channel, also available on demand online. floods, mudslides, and no less than four tornadoes. germany has experienced an unprecedented amount of weather events. lightning has injured several people. i have issued about 3000 severe weather warnings. it has alarmed politicians and triggered a debate, what is causing it? >> a tornado touches down in hamburg. it is an unusuall

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