that's what i mean here. >> and that is stephen miller. >> you see it as stephen miller. >> he continuouslys this president. the problem is, as we said in the first panel, he likes to suck up to the president. so the president really likes stephen miller. but continuously, we've seen it every time we discuss immigration, just in the house they were discussing the different bills, stephen miller was undercut in the process. >> i want to throw out a few other people you might want to hold responsible. the attorney general. the president might be happy to do that who announced the zero tolerance policy without having figured out the consequences of that. you might want to hold responsible the homeland security secretary who insisted there was no other alternative to the zero tolerance policy. >> behind closed doors she was one of the people -- >> the president is going to -- >> he is the president of the united states, i understand. >> the people who executed the policy. so it's miller, the attorney general, and it's the secretary of -- >> and i'm going to throw out one more, the chief of staf

and, by the way, night dentist is the job stephen miller looks like he should have, just by the way.aughter ) and, also, let's- let's not get it twisted. that restaurant owner didn't ask sarah huckabee sanders to leave because of her opinions, okay? she's a senior official of the trump administration, not some rando with a blog. this person was protesting the government. sarah huckabee sanders just happens to be a part of the government who showed up in her restaurant, right? it's like if i had a beef with the teletubbies. it may have started with laa- laa, but if tinky-winky shows up, some shit is going down. it's going down! ( cheers and applause ) basically, people in power would like to be insulated from the effects of their actions. but if you're in a position where you can influence other people's lives, you shouldn't be shocked when you hear from the people whose lives you affect. like, even athletes get booed by their fans when they're not doing a good job. and sports has no actual effect on people's lives. a missed shot has never shut down a community center. okay? never hap

if you're stephen miller's waiter, you could just go to his tabland no matter what he says, politely"i'm sorry. i don't speak spanish." and when he says, "i'mot speaking spanish," say to the room, "does anyone speak spanish?" [ laughter ] and when he restates, "i'm not speaking spanish," say, "no "blo espanol." and when he screamm not speaking spanish, i'm speaking english!" i think you'll feel very satisfied. [ laught ] [ cheers and applause ] i'm not saying i want everyone who works for trump to be kicked out every time they go to a restaurant. i just want them to worry that they will be for the entire meal. because that -- [ cheers and applause ] because that is just a taste of the unease and dread so many people feel every day because o. trump's polici on edge, looking over their shoulder. i want them to have to say thin like, "no, no, no, i ju look like corey lewandowski." [ light laughter ] this has been "a closer look." ♪ [ cheers and applause ] we'll be right back with chris hayes, everybody. [ cheers and applause ] ♪ >> announcer: for more of seth's "closer looks" be sure to

i mean, stephen miller is very clear about this.ed literal nazi propaganda a week ago. these are people that really think that the nature of the country existentially, america won't be america if it changes too much demographically. and they see themselves as guarding against that eventuality, and they're very clear about that. and that's why it's very hard to come to compromise with these people about legislation. so, even when you go and you say, "we're gonna put money into border security," which we've done every year. border security numbers are through the roof. we're going to have more people patrolling the border. which we've done every year. there's more people patrolling the border. they say, "okay. now let's strike a deal." and they, "no, we don't want a deal. because what we want to do is change the demographic tide of this country to preserve the white majority we have now." >> seth: what happens now moving forward in terms of, i mean, first and foremost, these separated families? do you have any optimism that those 2,00

will add to that, what i am saying is you have certain advisers around trump who can identify stephen miller is that white house advisers who are proteges of steve bannon who have been against the pentagon, who had been against the state department. you know were steep and has been all week? he hidden in london. talking to people like, there is a certain british politician, he used to party. and newspapers. it is fascinating. thank you both for being here. counter terrorism detectives in britain investigating the contamination of two people by the nerve agent novichok believe they have found the source of the substance. dawn sturgess died in hospital on sunday after being exposed to the nerve agent. her partner, charlie rowley, remains in a serious conditon in hospital. our correspondent duncan kennedy has the latest from salisbury, well, the news that they have found in this bottle came through from the metropolitan police late this afternoon. all they are saying is they found a small bottle at the house of charlie rowley in amesbury, and that the bottle was found on wednesday. they say the

stephen miller and the guys in the white nationalist faction of the party are very happy about this. they love the whole optics of this cruel sort of exercise. >> joe trippi, you're the democrat on this panel. they do not make up the entirety of the white house, nor do they make up, nor is stephen miller a representative of the entirety of the trump base. >> but it's -- i think rick's right, that this was intended to be a cruel policy, on purpose, as a deterrent, and that's why the optics are so bad. they wanted people to see this cruelty and wanted -- and wanted their base to see it. the problem with that for them is that the american people, majority of them, are far more compassionate than the cruelty of this policy and are putting the pressure -- and literally made the administration back off at least saying they were going to reunite them. now that's not working because they were so incompetent at implementing the policy in the first place. there is a coat check policy at restaurants that are better than what they've done. i know that's cliche and other people have said it, but

and stephen miller was called a fascist when he decided to dine at a mexican restaurant. and is sarah sanders. those who shun me on martha's vineyard. that is thing two in 60 seconds. >>> alan dershowitz is upset. some people don't want to hang out anymore. specifically some of the people he normally hangs out with on the elite martha's vineyard. quote they are shunning me and trying to ban me from their social life. and according to dershowitz, this is all familiar to me since i lived through mccarthyism in the 1950s. after much mocking on the internet. including a gofundme campaign, he came out swinging defending his op-ed telling the paper, i'm not complaining. and supportive of what he calls trump's civil liberties. to me, it is a red badge of courage. mar-a-lago is lovely this time of year. >>> president trump is taking some truly extreme steps to stop legal asylum seekers fleeing violence. stopping asylum seekers from coming in. and of course department of justice making it impossible for those fleeing gang and domestic violence to even obtain asylum. and the cruel

also faced some protesters so i didn't want anything -- >> laura: have you cabinet officials and stephen miller and sarah huckabee. look at this. this is an episode at a restaurant. if you believe in enforcing the u.s. border, you cannot eat mexican food. this is where we've gotten. you said you respected his decision. i would respectfully say to you, i don't respect his decision because it's not up to us to judge people based on whether -- you can say i disagree, you're a trump supporter or get a funny comment but so say you're not worthy of a ride, i mean, i think of they'll great civil rights leaders who struggled for people to be able to be who they are regardless of skin color and gender and now it's your mind. you can discriminate against someone for their mind or opinion. matthew. >> of course, i was ticked off. for this to happen and you always hear about these things so with sarah huckabee and the others and thought this would never happen to me because first i'm not in the public eye and there's really no reason for this to happen to people like us. and so it took a while for me to ca

we've heard john kelly say that, we've heard stephen miller say that.erance policy. everybody would be separated from their children. that's zero tolerance. it was supposed to be a deterrent and it has blown up into this, you know, human crisi crisis. >> there's no doubt it's blown up to a human crisis and the media has reported on that in many ways but the media doesn't report on the human crisis of children coming to the borer themselves. the fact is most of these folks are coming from central america, not mexico and they made a 2,000 miles through mexico, they had to cross the mexican border, which is no picnic so the idea that putting these children in detention is the worst thing that's happened to them, i'm not sure that is necessarily the case. these kids have been traum tid d -- traumatized a lot. >> yes, they were willing to risk their life to get here. rick, always appreciate getting your perspective. thank you very much. john? >>> mounting ethical scandals for scott pruitt. new ones -- i mean new ones out just overnight. his calendar, did he

at politico, we wrote a piece about presidential adviser stephen miller. he's hosted sort of secretive immigration policy meetings. the government agencies are caught unawares. i think that injects sort of chaotic and confusing aspects, particularly into the realm of immigration. >> and tough on kids. it's 3,000 kids, for crying out loud. i know that the president calculates there's a political advantage here, but the hhs said today, a hundred of those kids are under 5 years old. so they're sitting there in some random border post or somewhere else around the country, and they still haven't been able to talk to their parents. >> some of them probably can't talk to their parents because they're 2 years old or 9 months old. so they're having to resort to these dna testing to figure out who these kids are, who their parents are. it really is a nightmare scenario for this white house, and republicans certainly are feeling that. likely a lot of those folks are back home in their states, hearing from constituents about this. polls are showing most americans thin

the first draft was written by his top policy adviser and speech writer stephen miller. the president weighed in. as you saw, he was even weighing in in those photos up until the last minute, scribbling in that trademark sharpie scrawl of his, you know, no collusion and little tweaks to the manuscript. as you said he read somewhat haltingly and begrudgingly finally around 2:00 p.m. today. >> our guest later on in the broadcast, eugene robinson, was the first to go on television and brand what he witnessed a hostage tape, in his view. frank, which trump do you believe as a career intel expert, the trump standing next to putin in helsinki or the trump correcting the record today and saying he got a word wrong in helsinki? >> well, i'll tell you the one that concerns me the most is the one in helsinki yesterday. there is no question that what he did yesterday was confirm the suspicions that a lot of intelligence and especially counterintelligence professionals in the government have that, you know, there is something there, that there is the possibility of compromise, that

there are still problems reunited but matt we have a growing number elaine chao stephen miller kirstjenlsen. so far only hearing from chuck schumer and nancy pelosi saying public harassment is un-american. where the other democrats on this? >> while the other democrats, one hand they are cheering them on where were the other hand they are tapping it down. they believe in the end it's a good tactic. i think every decent american should stand up and say look whether we are liberal or conservative democrat or republican it takes a certain amount of courage to run for office. there a lot of people in congress i don't agree with politically but it takes a lot of courage to run. there comes a point where people just want to get a good meal and nourishment and hang out with their families. think we should leave them alone. liz: democrat official phillip raines basically tweeted out the contact information for the virginia bookstore owner who called the police on a customer harassing former white house adviser stephen bannon. what do you make of this action? >> i think it's terrible. mercy and

morning yesterday he knew he had to do something and began the several hours long process of stephen miller, his speech writer, crafting a statement that got revised repeatedly, you could see the revisions by the president at the end. there were outside weighing in on this. people who called him on capitol hill, outside advisers within the white house, people said you have to address this but what they came up with was too clever by half. it satisfied basically no one and he has already started walking back the walk back which was predictable because he was never going to get the credit in the media he thought he should get for cleaning this up. this was more a statement for our allies overseas, this was less about trying to quail people here because i think the white house knows the damage is done. this is about sending a message that there is a broader u.s. government that is going to take action if something untoward happens going forward involving russ russia. this president is going to continue to dig in. what we saw on twitter all morning i think was the start of it. >> but maggie, di

there's stephen miller as well. we haven't seen something like that for some time. there's sarah sanders. we don't know who that person was who had that. >> that's sergei lavrov there. >> if that's accurate, for all we know that could have been a question. we just don't know. it sounds pretty innocuous, what about the nuclear test ban treaty? that's one of the things we understand is under discussion today. that's just talking now from far across the river, just in front, not being in the room. >> hard to know what the person was holding up the sign. we don't know. obviously, the -- it looks like this is about to take place. the principals are now on hand. >> we are seeing the kremlin spokesman. >> wasn't he inside the lunch? >> he was in the lunch. i don't believe he was originally scheduled to be there. originally, it was three on each side. they added a fourth. glad to see there was one woman in both delegations, national security council director for russia. >> here is vladimir putin and president donald trump. let's listen in. >> translator: thank you so much.

democrats want a fresh face to be their presidenal nominee in 2020 coincidentally, fresh face is what stephen miller for dinner last night. [ audience ohs ] [ laughter ] "are you sure it's fresh?" [ laughter ] "i like to eat the smile first." [ laughter ] president trump suggested last night that he may rot protect montennder nato's mutual defense pact in fact, he doesn't even like to say montenegro, beca pe he think that's wa john got fired [ laughter ] during president trump's vit to the u.k., queen elizabeth reportedly wore a broach given to her by former president obama. wow! usually --nd i got to sayuse usually it's only her hats that throw that much shade. [ laughter ] the house released a spending bill today that sets aside $5 billion to build os president trump's pr border wall. ugh, can we just tell him we built it and move on [ laughter ] it's not like he is going to go down and check he knows there are hispanic t peopre [ light laughter ] like, let's just do a google ina," throw some gold letters on it and tell him it came in under budget boom, there you go we never have to talk about it

students are uk wawalking ou their classrooms, if folks are confronting folks like scott pruitt or stephen millerting at mexican restaurants -- these folks said mexico is sending their worst, they're sending rapists and murderers. >> erica. >> guys, i think we know where you both stand on this. i want to push forward when we talk about scott pruitt. here's what we need some answers on, specifically from the white house. there are at least a dozen investigations about ethics issues involving scott pruitt. and we're only just now hearing, ned, from the white house that, oh, we're reaching -- we're moving, inching forward toward a tipping point. why is this not a concern? >> i think it is a concern. i think that they have to address this situation and decide if scott pruitt is actually serving the president to the best of his abilities. i think every cabinet member needs to understand that they are replaceable. everyone is expendable, and if scott pruitt is not serving the president well, i think he needs to be replaced and i've told people, there are other deregulators that can replace scott pruitt

i think the white house thinks and stephen miller thinks this particularly, like donald trump, that immigration is their strong card to play, they want immigration front and center. but the data on this is not necessarily with them. you have 58% of people disapprove of his handling of immigration. there's a record high 75% of americans saying immigration is a good thing. i think paul ryan and mitch mcconnell do not want this fight in the fall. >> i think probably if you look at this from the most rational standpoint it probably isn't political. you would have to think for him to really do this that for once this is really something donald trump means when he says, that he wants the wall. and he knows this is probably the last chance he's going to have to get it. the best probable case for the gop is they're going to lose some seats in the house but not enough to lose full control of the house and probably they're not going to be able to maintain full control of every gop member after the election for this wall. i think the calculus really is that if the wall doesn't get funded before these elec

stephen miller's role in immigration seems only to be growing.nd we saw the way the president went into this north korea meeting, thinking just through force of personality he could really accomplish something. and as we started off this segment with that report, it didn't work out, and it seems like he's getting deceived. so while things might appear more stable to the president and while he might think that he's really getting a grasp of the job, i think things are just as unstable as ever, which is especially concerning going into this putin meeting. >> two working journalists working to cover this administration and working late for us tonight, i note. jenna johnson, matt nussbaum, thank you both for coming on our broadcast tonight. we really appreciate it. >>> and coming up for us, what's the chance this president has already changed american life for decades to come or perhaps forever? we're going to talk to presidential historian michael beschloss about what feels like a consequential moment for our country right now when we come back. tha

>> you have to ask stephen miller what his position on it. >> do you want me to tell you what his four-pillarlan is? >> jason, jason, jason. you're a -- >> there are bills on the table -- >> you're a communications expert. you think that's good communicating? >> his full plan? >> no! >> what i laid out for you in what he said to reporters and tweeted out. >> sorry, you guys are both talking at me at the same time. >> no one was talking when i laid it out for you. come on, jason. >> i think what the president is trying to do is trying to keep the issue front and center. i think that he knows until we get more republicans in and until we have going into this next congress, we're not going to get it done. but obviously he thinks it's an issue going into the fall. and i think if democrats continue to take the bait on things like abolish i.c.e. and going too far to the left, i think the president is probably right. >> right on what? that's my question, though. right on what position he's taken in the past month? >> that we need more republicans -- >> if you take all the positions, you're going to

the head of homeland security kirsten neilsen and stephen miller were both booed over border policieswas even asked to leave a local eatery. now scott pruitt is the latest white house official to be confronted. on monday, the environment protection agency representative was sitting at a washington restaurant when he was approached by kristin mink, teacher and anti—trump protestor who urged him to resign. ijust wanted to urge you to resign because of what you are doing to the environment and our country. this is my son, he loves animals and he wants clean air, and he wants clean water. she says that scott pruitt did leave the restaurant shortly after that confrontation but there is no independent verification of it. now the trump administration is no stranger to a political scandal or two but when it comes scott pruitt it's hard to keep up. just what do you have to do to get sacked in the trump administration? this is a list of scott pruit‘s indescretions. $105,000 on first—class flights in his first year. a round the clock security detail costing 3.5 million dollars, renting a condo a

administration pushing for the family separation policy was none other than senior policy advisor stephen millerhtning cracks ] [ laughter ] over the weekend, miller briefly took human form to take credit for the policy, telling the times it was a simple decision by the administration to have a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry period. the message is that no one is exempt from immigration law. wow, you know you're evil when you want credit for a policy this cruel. miller is like a serial killer who leaves clues for the police. in fact he didn't even give that quote to the times he just cut out letters from a magazine and slipped it under a reporter's door. [ laughter and applause ] so again, to be absolutely clear. this is not a law. it's a choice by the administration and they can end it right now. and yet, trump is trying to gaslight the country into thinking it's actually the democrats' fault that this policy exists. watch as he just keeps repeating the lie over and over as reporters explain to him that he's wrong. >> do you agree with children being taken away from their -- at the bord

with an american nightmare created by this president, created by kirstjen nielsen, created by stephen millerse policies were political and they have completely harmed and devastated and traumatized children and it must stop. >> alida garcia, thank you for the work that you are doing to reunify these families and for joining us to share your perspective. we really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> and we'll be right back. ♪ you shouldn't be rushed into booking a hotel. with expedia's add-on advantage, booking a flight unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip. add-on advantage. only when you book with expedia. add-on advantage. with my bladder leakage, the products i've tried just didn't fit right. they were very saggy. it's getting in the way of our camping trips. but with new sizes, depend fit-flex is made for me. introducing more sizes for better comfort. new depend fit-flex underwear is guaranteed to be your best fit. the full value oft wyour new car? you'd be better off throwing your money right into the harbor. i'm gonna regret that. with liberty mutual new

and stephen miller tries to tell him.e doesn't speak in a human tongue. [ screeching ] , applause ] sorry, what was theven? [ screeching] [ light laughter ] and in the same way that he now insists the fictional president served for 16 years, trump has also spent weeks insisti that he could not undo his own policy of separating families at the border only to reverse himself yesterday and sign an executive order undoing the policy. all week, we've heard a variety of insane conspiracyies from republicans and fox news to justify trump's policy. tom allegation that children are actors to clait drug cartels are posing as families to sneak across the border. and yesterday, republican congressman roger marshall repeat those claims, which he said came from trump's department of homeland security. >> the numbeof families that are posing as families has quadrupled trying to cross our borders. so you're having people that are doing human trafficking, terrorists and cartel members. >> where is your evidence for that? where is an evide

>> there have been news reports that president trump's advisers, ivanka trump, jared kushner, stephen miller and stooe bannon, reince priebus and gary cohn all used private e-mail to conduct official business. president trump is a republican, correct? >> yes. >> so these individuals are key staffers for a republican president, correct? >> yes. >> these individuals serve or served as senior advisers to the president, white house chief strategist, white house chief of staff and director of the national economic council. it is safe to say that individuals in such high-ranking positions are exposed to sensitive, perhaps top-secret materials? >> yes. >> to your knowledge has the fbi opened investigations against the use of private e-mails for official white house business? >> i'm going to answer that i can't answer that based on if they were ongoing, it would be inappropriate for me to talk about them. >> okay. i would like to note that neither the house judiciary committee nor the house oversight and government reform committee have opened hearings on that issue and several of those individuals

. >> if you think about stephen miller, who's this top immigration strategist in the white house.ld one of his best friends that he was no longer going to be his friend anymore because he was latino. and this guy is absolutely warped, he is the one that said that he was actually happy to see children willing separate from their families. he told other people in the white house this, and as long as he's being advised by someone like that, immigration is going to be a problem. it doesn't matter what you do. >> children in who our county threw are completely fraum advertised. even when the parent is not appropriate. we will talk years later and say you know my mother had afternoon addiction problem. why didn't you separate me from her. now you're talking about children who are being separated from political reasons, and the damage that is being inflicted on them, and now we're taking it so far as to we're making judgments as to whether they should be reunited. >> if you think there is an abusive parent, or if it's a smuller, that is catching up with people who are here legitimately.

and they eventually pushed the president to walk back stephen miller and other aides were involved inement. >> so how extraordinary is it in your experience, bob costa, have a white house chief of staff making phone calls around capitol hill saying step out to a bank of microphones and criticize what the president did yesterday abroad? >> that has been contested by some white house aides that john kelly, the chief of staff, actually asked people to contest the president. the way it was characterized to me by people very much familiar with the calls by the chief of staff is he believes republicans had to speak out yesterday so the president was aware of how badly the party had broken from him. sometimes the president can be seen as someone in a bubble and kelly wanted to make sure that the president was hearing the feedback loud and clear, especially from the critics. >> so robert, no one is more hooked up with the white house than you are. according to your reporting and your instincts, how long do people fear in the white house, how long do they fear it will take for this president t

i use the lowell miller papers, stephen early papers and for the division of information itself, theagency, that was available at the national archives to site in college parkmaryland so by putting it all together i was able to triangulate what he did . today what i want to talk about is a moment in american history where to of the most sort of controversial political subjects came together and were implemented by robert horton. the two concepts that are really the bogeyman of american politics, one of them is propaganda and one of them is bureaucracy and what robert horton done was propaganda for bureaucracy so you can imagine he was really the crossfire especially of people on capitol hill who er were the conservative coalition of the isolationists, all this happening before arpearl harbo . and i was really glad i want the program that the library put together today because the keynote speech at the end of the day is going to be about the hundred days to late 1940 and early 1941 where fdr mobilized the country for what was called national defense, that was the magic word. he sometimes nl

stephen roach of yale university stays with us. let's get to another top story. deutsche bank's fixed income unit posted its weakest results since the financial crisis. the cfo spoke exclusively to matt millerxit. >> the u.k. will always be a key place in the financial industry. london has the infrastructure which almost no other location in this world has, and therefore i think it is wrong to predict that there is no major financial location in london. that is very important for us. deutsche bank will remain in london. will have a material location, but looking at the events and development, there will be a certain part that we will move over to frankfurt. that depends on the final negotiations. matt: do you have a plan in place for a no deal brexit? >> yes, we haven't -- have a plan in place for that scenario. when you to be very -- look very -- we need to be attentive. we have a plan to be prepared for either scenario. a headcount have number in mind for deutsche bank and the u.k.? >> it would be wrong to issue now any numbers -- headcount numbers. deutsche bank will always have a material location and the u.k. in london. it will be -- in the u.k. and london. it will remain a very import