sadly, stephen miller's message is not a new one.w what's really sad about this, joshua, is that if stephen miller's own family had waited just a few years, they would not have been allowed and they were escaping in belarus. they would not have been allowed to come into the united states because -- so i'm hoping he understands the bigger connections. but i think his close the borders down mentality has taken over. shouldn't be a surprise. >> what's the real-world impact of this executive order? given that immigration is basically kind of already shut down by this outbreak. is this more politics? or does this policy have some real teeth? >> you know, i just got back from being on the border, myself, jason -- i'm sorry, joshua. and the desperation is real. part of what i'm reporting on is the fact that the united states and mexico have basically created a situation that is so inhuman right now where, for example, kidnapping is a kind of tacet part of the policy. if you're waiting in mexico to be accepted as a refugee, into the united s

i'm quoting stephen miller. we have a president that stands with american work aernz have a political opposition in this country that does not. going on to quote him, the most important thing is to turn off the faucet of new immigrant labor. mission accomplished with signing that executive order." what is your sense of what happens after the 60 days? would you suspect the ban gets extended? >> i mean, i think that's a fair assumption. considering the comments and the goals of stephen miller and other restrictions in the white house. this appears to be part of a long term process to continue these restrictions. and potentially look to other categories of these including temporary workers that come in this country to work. >> there is a man in illinois who is suing the administration for denying stimulus checks to people that are married to immigrants that don't have social security numbers. what's the legal basis for why this restriction is in place. you know, i -- >> am i asking you to answer an unanswerable que

president trump is accountable for everything stephen miller does.th pandemic. this has nothing to do with keeping the americans safe and prioritizing our public health. this has everything to do with trying to cut legal immigration which is something the white house through stephen miller tried to do on numerous occasions in 2018 and lost in a republican controlled house and senate. that's what they are doing. they are trying to set up an ongoing conversation to restrict legal immigration and exploiting the fears of americans while doing that. >> i want to ask you a question just to follow up. we often have this conversation about who has the presidency and who is the president listening to. why is miller able to be so uniquely effectively? >> he was not running some conservative think tank four years ago. he was the comm staffer for one of america's most racist senators? modern history. he has helped usher in a number of policy advisers from anti-immigrant portions from the center for immigration studies and fair immigration. both organizations tha

>> well, stephen miller, who is a zealot on the issue of immigration, told folks on a surrogate callwhile it was supposed to be a 60-day decree, really hoped it would be a wedge of something much bigger. this is part of a larger agenda that he and trump have tried to produce to shut down foreign immigration. and as with any idea log, you never want to lay a good crisis to waste. that's part of the problem of keeping our eye on the ball on policy while the pandemic occurs because some folks are going to try to get away with murder. >> yeah. i wanted to also ask about deregulation, as well. the latest being the weekend regulations on release of mercury and other toxic metals from oil and coal-fired power plants because nothing like a little more mercury in the air. it's another step towards rolling back health and environmental protections right in the middle of a pandemic, and adds to a raft of environmental regulation rollbacks. what do you make of that? >> well, look, this has clearly been a long standing priority of the administration. there is no reason they would stop rolling bac

what is your reaction to that executive order and those comments by stephen miller? i'm also the co-author on the only real bipartisan legislation to fix daca as well. it was unnecessary. the realities on the ground is that our embassies and our consulates are closed. we are not issuing visas because of covid-19 in those countries. until those countries reopen, we're not going to be issuing visas. this executive order did not do anything to change the realities on the ground and that's why i think it was ultimately unnecessary. i will say, there are a lot of provisions that cut out temporary workers, health folks. but when we're not issuing visas because we can't do a visa interview, then this has absolutely no impact on what is really truly happening on immigration right now. >> thank you very much for your time, sir. i appreciate it as always. >>> quick programming note, coming up at noon, andrea mitchell talks to nancy pelosi. that's on "andrea mitchell reports" only here on msnbc. >>> while some states start to reopen, other states like massachusetts are not. the

they've also been championed by someone more recently, white house senior advisor stephen miller.en refugees from europe could not find a way into the united states. may 1939, a group of over 900 refugees led europe in search of safety. they had visas to enter cuba but when they arrived, cuba refused entry to all but a few. next to the united states. we know from documents that survived that they were so close to the sea of miami that time, they could see the light quickly in the sky. they sent cable after cable to franklin roosevelt who refused to answer. 254 perished in the holocaust. during the great depression, we also target another group, to get rid of the mexicans because part of local and federal policies, nearly 20% of the entire mexican and mexican american population in united states, equaling about 700,000 were pushed out of the country. including 60% were american citizens by birth. this is a photograph published in the los angeles evening herald in 1932, which captures a chaotic theme of nearly 1400 mexicans who are waiting at the city's central station monitoring st

to answer your question my opinion on stephen miller, he is doing some bad stuff and has the power to do those bad things but there are other people, there have been outright white nationalists that have been fired from the state department once they were discovered having a podcast. i'm not trying to paint an epidemic that they are everywhere, they are our neighbors, doctors, lawyers, teachers, military, police officers in some cases. just because the jobs are respectable doesn't mean they are respectable people doing them in all cases. in the 80s we encouraged people as we encouraged them to disassociate from groups that were very visible, become a cop, be a teacher, go where the people we want to recruit our and that is what happened. >> i was wondering what is the best public response to situations like charlottesville. we have had a lot of white supremacist activity. is it ignore them? have a peaceful protest? what do you see as the best response? >> the things that extremists love our silence and violence. if we are silent and ignore them and let them do their thing they will ke

shannon: what about washington post and reports of a call that you were reportedly on, stephen miller who is pretty tough on immigration issues and in this call allegedly with saying to supporters who are worried about some of this immigration stuff that wasn't going to be just temporary or at least was laying the framework for something more permanent, if we can stop it let's hope americans and their families to apply for these jobs when they reopen, you allegedly were on the call as well. anything you want to say about washington post characterization of it? >> the characterization is way off the mark and not surprising for the post but it is a temporary order but it does keep people who can come straight into the labor market out of the country for at least 60 days and that can be extended and stephen made the point, i made that point, the president wrote into the order that he wants us at the department of homeland security to come back with recommendations about expanding it, change it, adding to it or extending it. the characterization of that is off the mark. nonetheless at thi

we need to address, for example -- stephen miller, listen, i called on him to resign months ago.ied immigrants. he has had an agenda that i believe is born out of hate, an attempt to divide, reject the history of who we are as a country. he was the architect i believe of the muslim ban, of that whole vicious policy that was about separating children from their parents at the border. so what do we need to do in the next bill? we need to do a number of things. we need to ensure that all people are having access to pretreatment, free testing and free treatment. we need to make sure in all federal facilities that people in detention centers or in prisons that they are safe. if they're not safe, they'll have to take drastic steps to ensure they are safe. we need to do a number of other things. part of the piece on small business, i am calling to say we need to have a tranche, a caveout for small businesses who have 20 or fewer employees, because they are on the ground and they are suffering. ben's chili bowl, right? an iconic place in washington, d.c., may close and never be able to r

following morning the administration's fiercest advocate for limiting immigration the senior advisor stephen milleraid, quote, the most important thing is to turn off the faucet of new immigrant labor. mission accomplished with the signing of that executive order, end quote. it's kind of nice when they just say it, when they just tell you exactly what they're looking to do. joining me now a distinguished fellow at harvard law school and executive chairman and founder of reputation.com. two of the three of us in this conversation are immigrants to this country, so i'm going to kick it off with you. you and i for years have had a conversation about the degree immigration has been slanted in a way nobody else in the world has. canadians don't think about immigration this way, europeans don't think about immigration. americans think of immigrants as potential criminals and people who feed off the public dime. >> i think this is the closest thing the united states has had to a free lunch. it's what's made america economically strong. and what we're doing now isn't turning off the faucet. we're pouring b

there was an inspiring message today from new york governor and man watching stephen miller swallow a mouse, andrew cuomo. at today's covid briefing, cuomo stressed that it's ordinary americans like you who are leading the way on the coronavirus response. and arts and crafts were involved. >> i want to show you a self-portrait that was done by american people. this is a self-portrait of america. okay? that is a self-portrait of america. and you know what it spells? it spells "love." we've received thousands of masks from all across america, unsolicited, in the mail: homemade, creative, personal, with beautiful notes from all across the country. literally. just saying, "thinking about you," "we care," "we love you," "we want to help." >> stephen: that is beautiful, but you know what i bet those notes didn't say? "why don't you staple gun these masks to a wall?" again it is a beautifu iely ges. god bless everyone who did this. but we're going through a pandemic. i'm not sure the best use of medical equipment is making a collage. that's like a food bank saying, "thanks for your donation!

of thousands of migrant children has advanced policies favored by white house senior adviser stephen millerning putting them in is safe homes. thaupg both thank you both so much for being here. tell what you say this means and what it means for these children. >> this is another really dangerous policy coming from the trump administration. at this moment where we know the safest thing is for children and families to be together and to be safe and together and sheltering at home, the trump administration is looking at ways to keep children apart from their families. this is another example of where cruelty is really what's driving the policy. particularly one of the aspects is to keep children in border patrol custody where we know more children have died in other other place in government custody. this is aimed at being cruel to the most vulnerable amongst u.s. it flies in fathe face of publi health advice mp. >> michelle, there's been a rapid rise in deportation of children and teenagers who arrive without a adult guardian. what are some of the dangers that these children face? >> what we

shannon: what about "the washington post" and the reports of a call that reportedly you were on, stephen millers well, known as pretty tough on immigration issues, and in this call, allegedly, was saying to supporters who were worried about some of this immigration stuff that it wasn't going to be temporary, or at least it was laying the framework for something more permanent, and said listen, if we can stop the influx now, that helps americans and their families apply for these jobs when they reopen. you allegedly were on the call, as well. anything you want to say about "the washington post"'s characterization of it? >> i think the characterization is way off the mark, not surprising for "the post." looked, it is a temporary order, but it does keep people who can come straight into the labor market out of the country for at least 60 days, and that can be extended, stephen made that point, i made that point, that the president in fact wrote into the order that he wants us at the department of homeland security to come back to him with recommendations about expanding it, changing it, adding to

stephen miller has wanted to shut down most immigration and the coronavirus crisis he may have foundis opening. and we should make clear, studies have concluded that immigration has an overall positive impact on american workers and american wages. that, however, seems to have not been considered in coming up with this executive order, ayman. >> thank you for that quick take. thanks. let's go to our reporters that are spread out across the country. blayne alexander is in georgia, ali vitali is in south carolina, steve patterson in las vegas and morgan radford is in detroit. blayne, the governor of georgia, he's got a plan to reopen. it's obviously drawing sharp criticism from leaders across the spectrum as we heard from lindsey graham. give us the perspective on the ground in atlanta. how are businesses there welcoming the news or dreading it? >> reporter: they're split. in about 48 hours, many of these businesses that have not been opened for weeks are going to open their doors for the very first time. some businesses i've spoken to say they're in a tough position. they want to get

the mirror and when you close your medicine cabinet the only guy in the world who creeps out stephen miller"jared don't frighten me like that, jared. don't creep on a creeper." over the last few days, trump has openly admitted that new york may not have enough ventilators to save lives and called the federal government just a backup. while kushner insisted the national stockpile doesn't belong to states >> governor cuomo was saying new york may be days away from running out of ventilators can you assure new york that going into next week, that they're going to have the ventilators that they're going to need? >> no. they should have had more ventilators at the time. they should have had more ventilators. we happen to think that, uh, he's well-served with ventilators. we're going to find out. and we're backup remember, we're a backup >> and the notion of the federal stockpile was it's supposed to be our stockpile, it's not supposed to be states' stockpiles that they then use. >> seth: oh, that makes sense, it's like my doorman told me, the front door belongs to the building it's not for the p

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