up next we speak with arthur stephen pyne about his book "between 2 fires," a fire history of contemporary america. >> for 50 years this country after the great fires of 1910 the traumatized u.s. forest service tried to take fire out of the landscape. the problem was we took good fires as well as bad fires. the last 50 years, which was rather a long time, half the history of our engagement, we tried to put good fires back in. that is very difficult but that is the thing to do. not generally communicated because what we see in the news media are the bad fires. that is the conflict. that is what stimulates character and choices. the sort of deep, patient cultivation of good fires is much trickier. it is difficult to tell. we don't have a strong narrative. we have a powerful narrative, taking out hundreds of people, destroying communities well into the 20th century. we have great stories of firefights, the crew tagging in, hiding out, trying to find some refuge, often when people write about it, and default to a platoon and you follow that through the campaign and the personality, can be adap

up next, we speak with stephen pyne about his book "between two fires: a fire history of contemporary america". >> for 50 years, this country after the great fires of 1910 which in the forest service tried to take fire out of the landscape and the problem was we took good fires with bad fires and in the last 15 years, it was a rather a long time. we tried to put the fire that and that has been very difficult but then that's the dominant theme and it's not one that's easy to communicate because what we see is news media are the bad fires. that's the conflict. that's what's sort of stimulates character in choices and the sort of deep, patient cultivation of good fires has been much trickier to do.we don't have a strong narrative. we have a good health narrative for fires as a battered, taking out hundreds of people, destroying communities in the 19th century, well into the 20th century and we have great stories of firefights. the crew digging in, battling or hiding out or trying to find some refuge. and often, the people that write about it, the default to a kind of war story. you follo

with wildfires and efforts to change the narrative of fire and its role in the environment with stephen pyne, a fire history of contemporary america. >> for 50 years this country after the great fire of 1910 which traumatized the u.s. forest service try to take fire off of the landscape. and the problem was that we took good fires as well as bad fires out. in the last 50 years which is rather a long time, half the history of our engagement, we tried to put good far back in, and that has been very difficult. >> and hear from brooke simpson about the challenges of writing history. >> i'm the person who tells that story and i'm going to try to do it as best i can as closely as i can come as balanced as i can but i get to do something fundamentally created and saved this is what i think happened. >> then on american history tv on c-span3 hear about the lives of you senators barry goldwater and carl hayden through the collections of personal and political papers. >> when you look at carl hayden's career common people is really responsible for cosponsoring and writing a huge amount of legislation