shames, with stephen. can you tell us the first time that you remember meeting mr. shames? and talk about the encounter that you had with him. and the story about the redbook. >> it was simple. how this happened, hughie called up asking me how much money i had, and i said, i have $300, $400, why? hugh was always broke. he didn't have any money. in those early days. until i got him a job. i worked for the city government of oakland, california, at the time. and hughie says, i know how we can raise some money. what? have you been hearing on the news about the little redbook, 1 million people holding their little redbook over in china, m mao tse-tung's book. with eleft our guns at home. of course, we were there to sell books, you know what i mean? blah, blah, blah. my point is, we were up around the university of california selling these redbooks, ged your redbook, $1. bang, i thought that was a pretty good profit. which we needed bad. because we were a ragtag organization. you have to imagine, i ain't got but 13, 14 party members at this period. this was the early days of the