pleased to have stephen starr at the table for the first time. welcome. >> thank you. >> rose: i have eaten in your restaurants, in philadelphia and here. but you have been called the accidental restaurateur, in part because you didn't set out -- you are not some mother's son who loved cooking and wanted to create your own restaurant. you were an entertainer, an empresario, so to speak. >> my goal since i was 12 was to be in the entertainment business and produce movies. when i was little, i wanted to be a disc jockey on the radio. >> rose: how long did that last? >> i wanted to do that since i was ten. i did it when i was 16 and again when i was 17. but i was a concert promoter for most of my adult life doing big shows, and that's really what i wanted to do. and my dream was always to produce movies and television. >> rose: but you ended up in restaurants. >> ended up in restaurants, accidentally. i sold my concert business in 1993, did not know what the deal was. >> rose: in philadelphia. that was in philadelphia. >> rose: yeah. didn't really k