so people go across and one of them is stevan. when he gets there, stephen jarvis and lists in the queens rangers. it's one of 150 or more at least 150 military units, formed by tories to fight, not just debate but fight other americans who are rebels and stevens journal. one of the first remarkable things about it is the journalist called and americans experience in the british army. he's not in the british army comegys and tory army units that was formed by tories in new york and it will fight alongside the independent of the british army, but just like what happened with tiffany's manuscript, the manuscript for the jarvis journal was found in a trash can published in 1907. in 1907 we didn't want to think of the revolution has anything but the revolution and we couldn't use the term civil war because we have had the north-south only a generation before. so the whole term goes away and so does the idea of tories. anyway, jarvis goes to war and fights in battles all the way from new jersey down to georgia and florida. he tells ame

his picture, you couldn't even speak his name, and my guard at the time was a 16-year-old boy named stevan and he used to bring me to the meetings and i would listen to what they would say and i felt quite at home because the same thing going on in the apartheid system was going on in the united states under the guide of segregation so i felt at home. so i knew about nelson at that time and so when we met in 2000 in australia, we just cracked up. we just laughed and laughed and laughed and that is when he said we are here, we made it. we are here. there was a wonderful thing. >> host: you know he writes in the forward to your book he writes here that in a way his spirit was dead. he said in his powerful testimony the book he wrote before this one, more than 30 years ago off of route this you describe the effect on yourself of racism, brutality of the prison system and the united states has more prisoners than any of their developed country in the world. but people would say that there's a lot of violence, a lot of crime perpetrated by those who are captured, tried, convicted and imprisoned

and you couldn't even speak his name and my guide it that time was a young 16 year old boy called stevan and he is to bring me to the meetings and i had to listen to what they would say and i felt quite at home because the same thing going on in the apartheid system was going on in the united states under the guide segregation. so i felt at home so i knew about nelson at that time and so when we met, in 2000 in australia we just cracked up. we just laughed and laughed and laughed and that is when he said we are here man. we need it. there was a wonderful thing. his could you know nelson mandela writes in the foreword to your book that in a way of ruben's spirit was dead. he said in his powerful testimony the book he wrote before this one more than 30 years ago you wrote to describe racism and brutality of the system and of course the united states has more prisoners than any other developed country in the world. but people would say that there is a lot of violence, a lot of crime perpetrated by those who are captured, tried, convicted and imprisoned in this country. >> guest: dak. there'

that is how the conservative government of stevan harbor falls if defeated and we will check the results can't see the governor general, see the liberals now they've 1156 to 145 and that is history, ladies and gentlemen, that is the first time in canadian history on the vote of non-confidence in government has been found in contempt by parliament, and this will kick off an election cycle. we are waiting to hear from the prime minister. he will speak soon but you can let me bring peter mansbridge to get some reaction to what we just saw, and peter, jubilation on the part of the opposition that there is a fight ahead. >> was very interesting to watch the picture because the liberals did in 1979 when the government was defeated i think the conservatives through theirs in the air but the conservatives nothing, no paper went up in the air, they are tall because they are claiming this was a terrible thing that's happened to them and it was a matter what happens from here on end steven harper and his government will be known as the only government in the history of canada that's being floated d

stevan is a securities attorney who serves as deputy to chief litigation counsel of the sec's enforcement division from 1993 to 2001, and ms. helen chapman is the attorney representing approximately 250 investors, and mr. bernard madoff's investment securities firm. it is the policy of the committee that all witnesses be sworn in before they testify. please rise and raise your right hand. >> do you solemnly swear or affirm the the testimony you are about to give this committee will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth? >> you may be seated. the record will reflect all of the witness's answer in the affirmative. and with that, i thank you. and so we will begin at this time with german schapiro. for opening statements and we would love to hear yours about this conflict that has been discussed. ms. schapiro. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman, randy members quickly and towns and members of the subcommittee. thank you for inviting me to testify regarding the financial management workforce management and internal operations of the securities and exchange commission. as you