investigation into not passage he says in contrast to the spectacles that surrounded the searches of stevan hatfield's apartment in upon, the scientists work continued methodically and quietly. that passage described very well the two approaches to this investigation, and it was the effort of many scientists both in the fbi laboratory in around the country that i believe led to the solution of this investigation, and that solution i believe is captured expertly in the book called mirage man. if i would like for you to help me welcome david wellman to the forensic institute. [applause] >> thank you very much, dr. it's an honor to be with you at the institute of central oklahoma university i'm pleased to see so many students who are being trained here for this important work and i want all these students to realize a group of very well prepared scientists far as dr. adams diluted to actually some of the heroes of my book the work was crucial to unravel the attacks of 2001 which stands as the most complex scientific challenge ever undertaken so my message in brief is study hard, please because

investigation in another passage he says in contrast to the spectacles that surrounded the searches of stevan hatfield's departments and the pond the scientific work continued methodically and quietly. that passage described very well the approaches to this investigation, and it was the efforts of many scientists both in the fbi laboratory and run the country that i believe led to the solution of this investigation, and the solution i believe is captured expertly in the book called mirage man so i would like you to help free welcome david wellman to the forensic science institute. [applause] -- thank you david adams. it's an honor to be with you the institute central oklahoma university. pleased to see so many students who are being trained for this important work and i want all of the students to realize that a group of very well prepared progressed scientists are the clear-cut heroes of my book so some of the work was crucial to unraveling the anthrax attacks of 2001 which stands as the most complex scientific challenge by the fbi. like message is please, we need you will. i would like to h

the war and how that shaped his overall approach to his life and career. >> on december 6, 1941, stevan strength the navy. the next day the japanese responded bombing pearl harbor. he served in pearl harbor navy intelligence and one of the things that affected him was hearing that the admiral who was the architect of pearl harbor had been shot while fleeing on an inspection tour, and he had belabor that issue being shot specifically not as an undisguised a known person that you would shoot during battle but somebody that specifically was killed and he related the concern about that issue a number of times and you wonder if he didn't characterize that as murder. his job was in the field they call communications and what it amounted to was japanese radio signals. the recall there was a big to do after the war karnack chollet during the war whether the navy not forecasting the pearl harbor attack and so that unit that he worked in in perlo harbor was under a lot of stress. i think history is exonerated them but be that as it may they were under a lot of stress and they came from washington

personalization there but at the same time the problems are there is no limits on the resale on the the the stevanif you don't mind targeted ads you don't know whether the people collecting data might resell lit to ensure our employer of some point and some people don't like having everything personalized to them. the light of the experience of them internet commonplace that isn't one that is totally tailors to you. it can feel like a hall of mirrors where everything you see is a reflection of what people think you are and oftentimes for me when i'm doing research about something new, i don't want google for instance to make a guess about when looking for. i really want to see what is out there in the world. >> host: so have you found a few dewey google search or bing they know who you are or where your computer is located at some of that research its tailored to you? >> guest: yes some people don't realize that there google searches are unique to them. i often use a plug in or a site where i can do sort of anonymous google searches and i like to compare the results to what i get from google those

stevan from the beginning he was strong on that as was rutledge for that matter. .. >> what does justice know about any proper processing complaints, not hearing the case, or have a hearing or argument? >> are you talking about when a justice has a personal interest in the case? >> our responsibility of failing of duty is considered in some case dismissed as it does not persist through. >> well, there's a new thing, new question of steven's own recusals. >> the ones that are best known, the ones involving the chemical known as agent orange used in vietnam by the u.s. military, it said he rescues himself from cases involving that because of his son, however, there's no rule of law in the supreme court that a justice has to say he's rescuing. the interesting thing, justice caygan will have to rescue herself for some, but the justices take that very seriously. there's a case where there's the use of the phrase "under god" in the pledge of allegiance because he spoke publicly not just about the issue, but about the case itself. it was the case out of california, and the justices met saying y

stevan during the worst days in the 60's i think the greatest generation as i call them with often theheep how their kids are beefing but they say they are so smart, so well-educated and the truffle so easily and i can't believe the salary that they get in the law firm or at ibm or one of those places. i used to take the temperature of that generation a lot because i was covering the 60's a lot leave even though they were not happy with the report they could see that they were the masters of the world a and the idea that their children could say i'm going to take a couple years of the bible to travel the world and come back and start my career or they were starting businesses at the very early age and doing inventive things and their parents were looking at them with a sense of awe. now they are looking get the with the sense of anxiety and they are looking at them across the dinner table because they are moving back in with them in big numbers, and they do it for a couple of reasons. one is economics. they can't get a job. the can't afford urban housing. the second is i trust my paren

of the technology here, to what extent is it subsidized here, to what extent is china substance at stevan corrine technology industries in china and a big way. a competition called the fallout will be a big issue because of all we are the companies suffering but you are going to see kaj 40 come of 50 to 60% been wiped out. so it is a problem that activates producers of both sides and they will see it is a problem shared rather than a problem that is one side or the other. >> - both sides realize how incredibly important these financial relationships are. it's not a subject on which i claim to have a lot of expertise but it's obvious that the relationship is totally extremely important but extremely stressful. this is stressful because there is a basic lack of trust between the two giants the united states and china. one of the biggest victims of the 2008 financial crisis i feel is chinese respect for the american economic system in particular. that is hard to measure dictum of the crisis but it is an important because there has been a very subtle shift i think in the chinese perceptions o

stevan the power that congress does have a test to use it in a way that doesn't interfere with independent, and it has never used exercise over responsibility over supreme court rules from 1789 the court has had that authority on its own. i think the textual case for the converse of 40 and syria is not really there. i'm not saying that i am sure this is unconstitutional, but this is a very, very serious question. >> i disagree. i don't know why it is so serious that the courts -- if the court can be moved to reform much, much larger, if the commerce can control in effect the kind of record that is made, can't it also in effect open the proceedings in the public in a different form? >> if it is doing that in a manner which impacts directly on the court's ability to control the proceedings, then there is a very serious question to read that part of the judicial power, senator. >> of the congress passes fell law that says in the course of these proceedings every justice has to be televised and officially close up, and the litigant or the lawyer for the litigant should be given permission to m