i think steve andretta was an alibi witness in new jersey.hey drag hoffa's body into the kitchen. why didn't they bring the body bag to hoffa's dead body? eric: that's a good question. ed, you happened to go out to andretta's house as part of our investigation. >> i was there three times. once i brought charlie's book and said look, time to talk. and i didn't hear back from him at all. eric: he left the bound underneath the garage door. >> that's right. eric: we did reach out to thomas andretta as part of our investigation. but we did not hear anything. you basically came up with another theory that you say was brilliant by the mafia in a sick way that they used two sets of brothers so they wouldn't rat each other out. >> i think this was a total new jersey operation. you had two andrettas and two bugliosas. that made it so secure. do i think on the walk back through the house was the steel drum back there? yes. was there a cart they were going to dump him in? yes. did they take him to new jersey, yes. we disagree on where he went. basically