clippers owner and former microsoft ceo steve ballmer just off a panel at that tech summit.ing here. >> pleasure to be here >> just give us a sense, what are you talking about at the tech summit when it relates to the nba and tech i also want to talk about the new home for your l.a. clippers, the intuit dome. how are you going to use tech to enhance that fan experience? >> we're here talking about essentially the complete transformation of the viewing experience how do you get interactive, how do you augment the reality in a way that the customers really -- the fan's really going to be interested in? how do you add social? how do you add gaming? the nba app, which launched this year, i think, gives us a platform for so many things. how do you do ticketing? how do you move to biometrics? all of that stuff starts with your digital experience. to transform transform that viewing experience, to say to yourself, hey, i want to put my face on kawhi leonard's body and me making that dunk, or i want to view the game from the lens of paul george. the technology is really going to get

it tracks whatever it is and -- >> there's two issues here, one is, with steve ballmer in particular, of shell, for example, and then buying another class of share of shell afterwards. >> yes let's start there. because that's the same company. >> right >> is that illegal >> so the only thing that is legal is same stock, same account, right that's what it is. that's all that is enforced. >> from a tax -- then the question becomes, from a tax policy perspective, if you're the government, the irs, do we believe that class "a" shares are the same as class "b" shares that's the most obvious version of this. >> when we noticed this, when i saw, hey, steve ballmer is buying shell, selling shell, that seems like the same thing they're different classes. we brought this to goldman sachs and said, hey, we're seeing hundreds of these types of trades it's not just shell. it's other companies and they said basically, whoops, we didn't mean to be doing that. this goes back ten years they told us, they're notifying clients, they're unwinding these trades steve ballmer said he's going to amend his ta

i asked nadella about this do you feel less constrained and he said, no, no, no, i just -- if steve ballmer is still here, he would look at the gross margin opportunity in front of me and he would light up like, we should go take it, because it's a category that can move the needle. >> he said he feels liberated, right, byquite the opposite of constrained. rare to see him quite this excited. thanks as alwaysfor your insights we'll talk to you soon >> now let's bring in mark mahaney, head of internet research with a buy on a $125 target on alphabet mark, i don't want to get too far down the road here about what this bing move from microsoft will or won't do to google's core business but this is the first credible, full frontal assault on the core search business that i can remember seeing. and there's the potential, it seems to me, that this is google's equivalent of facebook's ios 14 moment a major disruption to that core flow into their core business. am i wrong >> i like the set-up i also find all of this ironic we're about to have the department of justice legal case against google from

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