steve ballmer heard that news, and he was jumping like crazy.'re showing you is old i have wrote here, but it does bring the point that the former microsoft chief is a good read on things, microsoft, the economy, the fed and our government, after this. ♪ ♪ [cheers and applause] >> get up! k better together. like your workplace benefits and retirement savings. voya provides tools that help you make the right investment and benefit choices. so you can reach today's financial goals and look forward to a more confident future. voya, well planned, well invested, well protected. >> i love this company, yeah! [cheers and applause] ♪ >> come on, get up! get up! neil: you know, i have a feeling that steve ballmer, the former head of microsoft, one of the founders, if you will, probably doesn't like it when boy show that video. more than 20 years ago. the reason why i love it, it says a lot about steve ballmer, the fact that he was very unconventional, extremely successful ceo, arguably one of the best this country's ever seen. his passion is known beyond

that does chat gpt and steve ballmer was the legendary ceo, current owner of the l.a.the whole world. a visionary on tech and business and is now spending some of the money on a new project to advance facts. >> thanks for being here >> thanks for having me, ari, my pleasure >> really excited to talk to you about a lot of things. there is so much that you are involved with. let's start with usa facts, it is an organization that is about facts. we will slow some of what you are doing but first tell us why, with all of your experience in tech and billions of dollars, you want to engage on facts and truth in the discourse right now? >> when i retired from microsoft my wife said you are going to work with me now with the family that is focused on economic mobility, kids that might not have a shot at the american dream by virtue of their circumstances at birth. how do you help those kids. i said to my wife, oh, that is what our tax dollars help with. we don't need to do much. i am working with my wife on that challenge but i also wanted to prove to myself a little bit, maybe

steve ballmer! [cheers and applause] ♪ ♪ so nice to see you! >> good to be here! career. you are one of the first employees at microsoft. you become a ceo at microsoft. you on the los angeles clippers. you have this dream life that as a kid you probably never even thought that those were the heights you might be able to attain, and in that moment, you turn your attention to creating a fact website. >> exactly. i retired from microsoft, and i have nothing to do, except to dive deep, dark into government numbers, seriously. >> jon: it feels like an anti-midlife crisis. it feels like a man who has decided, well, i'm just going to give up. >> wealth, my wife kind of got after me to start helping with the philanthropy, and i kept saying, no, no, government takes care of all of those things, and she said, you are coming with me, and i snuck in the back and said that i'm going to look up the number is. >> jon: and you did look up the numbers and what you have done is -- and it is a phenomenal site and i make jokes but it is so necessary in this world to provide the data

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