recently, steve balmer, the ceo of microsoft, came and talked to me and a few others and said that comparing china to russia which has a bad reputation itself, they believe that the rate -- now, china's a much more populace country than russia, but the rate of internet theft based upon the number of computers in chi compared to the number -- it's six times as great in china as it is in russia. and that worldwide the piracy that's taking place is costing 40-60,000 american jobs. this from a company that has, i think, only about 88,000 jobs total in the unite. so -- in the united states. so if they could almost double, certainly increase by 50% that one company's employment in this country by handling this problem -- and we'll never completely handle it, but getting a better handle on it will create a lot of american jobs. >> host: and, finally, congressman goodlatte, net neutrality. the energy and commerce committee is holding hearings on the issue of net neutrality, fcc is very active on this. what is your view of the government's role in net neutrality? >> guest: well, i think that the judi