on your face. >>> what would you do if you were bob mueller's investigator with a witness like steve bannon? >> so, yeah, today we've got the tale of two bannons. the one that's really not kooptding with congress and the one that spent two days, ten-hour days back to back talking to mueller's team. he's forecast what he thinks the investigation is about. he's publicly stated i think it's about money laundering. he's publicly stated the trump tower meeting was treasonous. obviously the mueller team is going to be asking him, mr. bannon, tell us a little more why you think that trump tower was treasonous. tell us why you think we're investigating money laundering and he's going to lay that out and apparently he has to the tune of 20 hours. the other thing bannon holds keys to, he was a direct point of contact with cambridge analytica. campaign research. >> right. >> what was being done for opposition research? what e-mails were hacked or privy to? what was the role of russia with regard to the campaign? bannon has information on that. my guess is he's cooperating and telling what he knows to

and i have to say, lawrence, it is infrastructure week and if steve bannon spent 20 hours with robert mueller you my guess he was paving a road to jared kushner's front door. you look at the evidence that bannon has about kushner and his -- in "fire and fury" and other sources. his awareness in kushner's role in dealing with the russians during the campaign. i think you put all this together and i think if you're jared kushner it's been a nerve wracking couple of days here to see steve bannon singing a very long song to the special counsel. >> john, i want you to give us a perspective on rick gates but first let's listen to the president talking about rick gates. >> come on up, rick. so we have a great group of people. and we have a group of people that really wants to win and i think knows how to win. and we've also been winning all our lives. this group of people in front of me, i know so many of you, we've been winning all our lives. >> we just saw rick gates taking his position there behind donald trump. if he becomes a guilty plea and he's cooperating with the special prosecutor,

does he, does he, does he really go after the president, does steve bannon make the decision to try to break trump. and i think that, you know, if i were steve right now, that's what i would be -- i would be thinking that's one of my options here. i mean, i literally saw steve bannon go from the guy who elected trump to the guy who thought that trump was the idiot of the century. and a guy who, you know, who came to realize that whatever goals and agenda steve had, whatever he, you know, the nationalist, populist, whatever that is -- and i don't mean to be dismissive. for steve, that is a very, very specific idea-driven program. and he thought that trump would be its, trump would be able to lead this new movement. and it turned out trump really is not capable of that, not interested in that and is, is just going to go in whatever direction he goes in at any given moment. and i think steve found that incredibly infuriating. and i think that he was using the things he said in my book as part of his intention to break with trump. so i, yes, i i think, i think that he -- i don't know what'

you know, corey had already been gone, and steve bannon, steve bannon came in i believe in august. >> right. >> but i think what they want to know from steve bannon is what he knows about what was going on in the white house, did the president order mcghan to fire mueller, et cetera, et cetera. i think bannon could be very helpful. of course, as you know, bannon has claimed privilege, and that could become an issue. >> yeah, he doesn't want to answer questions before the congressional committees. >> yeah. >> on what happened during the transition or what happened while he served as chief strategist in the white house. corey lewandowski was long gone, then he never served actually in the white house. but clearly -- >> they do cover different parts -- >> clearly they have serious questions for both of them. what's going to lap? >> i think eventually this rolls up to the mueller investigation. like dana said, you'll have more chance of getting consensus among democrats and republicans in the senate to compel testimony from any witnesses, probably a steeper climb in the house. but at some

but having a witness like steve bannon go in and cooperate, someone who's in the room. use let's remember, bannon didn't have to cooperate. he could have taken the fifth amendment, decided not to testify at all. he's taken a different choice. by spending 20 hours, i think that's a good sign he's walking him through joust about everything that happened in the white house. i think the key question we really ought to ask here, what are steve bannon's motives? remember, in the last month, we've seen the president publicly attack steve bannon. you have to wonder if bannon still wants to protect the president or if he's wishing to put him in legal jeopardy. >> his cooperation with robert mueller seems to be a little different than what he did on capitol hill according to some people who have been disappointed with his answering of questions or a lack thereof. i want you to listen to what congressman adam schiff had to say about the testimony before the house intel committee. take a listen. >> i think the likely he'll face a contempt citation. steve bannon, when he did come bac

steve bannon--steve bannon, trump's dude, not only accused trump's second dumbest son of collusion, butesident of being in on it. and then lying to the american people about it. you know what that means, people. buckle up, because trump's about to blow. - president trump issued a statement like no presidential statement ever before in american history, lambasting his former campaign and white house senior strategist steve bannon. - ohh! damn! i didn't even know presidents could release diss tracks. but i do feel bad for president trump because today he found out that some nazis aren't very fine people. [traditional russian music] [hip-hop music] [traditional russian music] - donald trump has a shadow of his own-- robert mueller. and so far, the special counsel has indicted four of trump's campaign officials, interrogated over 20 administration officials and has even set a date to question steve bannon. he would've met with bannon earlier, but mueller's still waiting for amazon to deliver his hazmat suit. like--[imitates radio crackle] my first question, mr. bannon, do you mind not eatin

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schiff: as i mentioned in the conclusion of our hearing, hats off to steve bannon. he has done the impossible. he has brought our committee together. there is large agreement that his testimony and the breathtakingly broad invocation of privilege is insupportable. i think the majority is going to confer with leadership about next steps. certainly it will be our recommendation to leadership that initiate contempt proceedings. i hope we have a meeting on the minds. i expect we likely will, judging by the comments my colleagues in the majority have made publicly about the necessity of compelling answers to these questions. had today turned out differently, a remedy might be in order. but given mr. bannon's answers to these questions, it seems there is no other course left open to us. >> there is criminal contempt, civil contempt, inherent contempt -- what is the pathway forward, and which do you prefer? rep. schiff: this will be the subject of discussion from this point forward. what types of contempt proceedings do we pursue? what type of remedies do we ask for? histo

she said that steve bannon's defense attorney told her to leave town.estify against him. quote, he told me i had to leave town, that if i wasn't in town, they couldn't serve me. and also if i went to court, he and his attorney would make sure i will be the one who was guilty. so steve bannon when the story surfaced he said through a spokesperson he has a great relationship with his ex-wife and twin daughters. and ultimately these charges were dropped. all these reportings about they criminal allegations about steve bannon, they came out a week after he was named the ceo of the trump campaign. and what happened as a result of that reporting was bupkis, nothing. he didn't resign from the campaign. he went on to serve this the campaign to the bitter end, and he continued to serve in the white house. they never bothered to address whether they knew about this domestic violence. so when they decided to hire steve bannon, whether they vetted him and found this out, they didn't care. it was okay with them. this has become a through line of the trump pressy sin

to compel his testimony. >> [inaudible] mentioned, caps off to steve bannon. he is done the impossible. he is broader committee together. there seems to be brought agreement among the majority and minority members that his the broadand indication of privilege is insupportable. the majority is going to want to do conferring with her leadership about next steps. certainly it will be our recommendation to our leadership that we initiate contempt proceedings. i hope that we have a meeting on the minds. i expect that we will, judging from the comments of my about the necessity of compelling answers to these questions. differently.out because of the wholesale refusal to answer any of these questions, it seems there is no other course left open to us. >> there's criminal contempt, civil contempt, what is the pathway forward here? >> i think this is going to be the subject of discussions from this point forward. what type of contempt proceedings to we pursue? what type of remedies do we ask for? historically, when contempt proceedings have been initiated, it results i

but we do know that steve bannon is likely to meet with bob mueller next week. and i wonder if you think that steve bannon's testimony before bob mueller when he made public to michael wolff his concerns about money laundering in the clip that i read, but also, you know, he called don jr.'s actions treasonous. he suggested with a degree of confidence that there was money laundering under way, that paul manafort and jared were involved in it. he certainly -- he certainly characterized himself as someone who knew of a lot of misdeeds by a lot of people. how important do you think he is to the mueller investigation at this phase? >> i really don't think we know. if you look at the michael wolff book, it seems like it's a lot of conjecture, a lot of, well, i think this may be a possibility, this is where it could be headed. certainly, if you're running an investigation, you're going to want to know why he believes that. what is it that got steve bannon to that point that he thinks money laundering is so central to that? he doesn't put a lot of meat on the bone of th

will she exert executive privilege like steve bannon and refuse to answer questions? plus, mounting pressure, congress back for its first full day, feeling the squeeze to get something, anything, done on gun reform, with the midterms just months away. can republicans afford to do nothing? >>> melting point. scientists shocked at the heat wave hitting the north pole with temperatures nearly 50 degrees above normal. so what does it reveal about climate change? a guest appearance by our own al roker to explain. >>> we do begin with the woman who may know some of president trump's most closely held secrets, hope hicks, the white house communications director, arrived this morning and is reportedly still behind closed doors testifying in the russia investigation. hicks defines the term inner circle. she was the president's right hand on the campaign trail. she's close with jared and ivanka. and in a white house that has seen key officials like steve bannon and michael flynn leave, hicks has survived. today, she faces the house intelligence committee, perhaps the only body

most of your meetings at the white house were with steve bannon, or you were scheduled to meet with steve bannon and then what would happen? >> i was scheduled -- had a lot of meetings with steve, steve was one of the pillars, everybody was under the impression they were supposed to meet with me. did that impression come from the president or you were talking to steve bannon. >> i was introduced around by various people, hope hicks, the president's personal pr person, kelly and conway, sean spicer, this was not a mystery here. i think on one level nobody quite new how this came about and everybody looked a little puzzled. there was no friction here. there was no friction. no friction. nobody was saying what are you doing here? >> they would see you sitting in the west wing lobby and you would say steve bannon and they would chuckle and say that is not going to happen, come back and talk to me. >> i became a familiar presence around the white house and also very much a nonthreatening presence. i was not, the press corps was over there, not far away. i was careful not to come in as a member

i mean, in the preface to my new paperback book "the devil's bargain" i re-embedded with steve bannonone of the new scenes in the book i tell the story of bannon watching the golden globe awards last month when oprah and the actresses famously had the galvanizing moment of female empowerment that was so powerful that people were talking about oprah for president. bannon had a much different reaction. he viewed this as he told me an existential threat not just to trump, but to republicans' majority in congress because he didn't think that republicans, especially not trump and the senior people in the white house were sufficiently alert to the political threat posed by the rise of this female-driven resistance. they had a great falling out a month ago and bannon was in the political equivalent of siberia and it is not clear that his warnings will be heeded, but at least someone in trump's orbit recognizes that this could be a real problem for the party as soon as september and the spousal abuse scandal now entering its second week is only making that problem worse. >> to press you on th

steve bannon will likely meet with special counsel mueller next week.port digs into why the president's lawyers may be telling him to refuse a similar meeting. >>> plus, counting down. as we get closer to a government shutdown, will we see a vote to keep the lights on? we will focus on that. it comes as the white house chief of staff says that the president has no plans to extend protections for those dreamers beyond the march 5th deadline. >>> and ready for launch. a new rocket could revolutionize spaceflight and takeoff could happen within the next hour. how this rocket could take us further than ever before. >>> we start today with a big question on capitol hill. who will and who will not meet with the special counsel. just moments ago, nbc news learned from a source familiar with the process that steve bannon is likely to meet with robert mueller's team next week. contrast that with his former boss. as president trump prepares to talk immigration and crime later this hour. "the new york times" is reporting that the president's lawyers are telling hi

but there are concerns that the president and steve bannon are not getting along well and steve bannonay have creative narratives to share with special counsel. did you share those concerns? >> no. i think in the end people are going to be honest with special counsel. that's the whole point. i don't believe that. i think when you sit down with the fbi, there is an aura of this is a serious discussion we're going to have. and there's no time for playing games. >> and i want to talk to you about the fisa warrant on carter page. one last question about john kelly. did he make a mistake? is it a firing mistake? more than two chiefs of staff in the first year would be a disaster. >> i don't know what anyone really knew after i left. you know, be it's hard to say. because i don't know what was discussed. i don't know the specifics. what i know, though, is the rob porter that we all knew in the west wing. >> yeah. >> it was one of those sort of moments where people just said, you're kidding me. we're not talking about rob porter, are we? the eagle scout, rhodes solchol, harvard, undergrad. i'

this is not just about steve bannon but about the office. and with respect to the special counsel, we're cooperating with their investigation as the president has long said, there was no collusion, they aren't going the find any evidence of wrongdoing. we'll cooperate and put this behind us. >> sandra: quickly, trey gowdy said he was troubled by almost every aspect of rob porter's employment at the white house and opened an investigation. i have not heard a response from the white house on that yet. >> as we said, we could have done better in that situation and we will do better going into the future. the security clearance process is an important one. we trust and rely upon the professionals at the f.b.i. as well as the white house personnel security office to render solid judgments on these individuals. that process had not finished yet and so ways to reform and fix the process are things we're open to and considering and working with congress and others on that.

questioned by investigators examining links between donald trump's election campaign and russia steve bannon has also been quiz for a second time by congressional intelligence panel but was tight lipped citing white house privilege mike hanna has more from washington. well it's understood that steve benen was questioned for a long period of time by members of special counsel robert miller's team on at least two occasions the questioning lasting some twenty hours the nature of the questions not yet known however we do understand that steve bannon did give our answers to all the questions that were put to him this is unlike his appearance before the house intelligence committee where here appeared for the second time this week there he refused to answer a large number of questions a quoting white house privilege he would only questions that had in fact been vetted by the white house and others caused a great deal of anger on the house committee members now discussing whether or not they should try him for contempt for not giving answers to the questions that they put to him staying in the u.s.

it plays into comments made by ousted trump aide, steve bannon who says the me too movement might bebook. green is here to discuss the new items he has in the preface, and before we get to your book, joshua, i want to ask you about the current turmoil in the west wing. you have chief of staff john kelly making it clear he is willing to resign if president trump wants him to. kelly hired to come in and, you know, restore order or create order for the first time, and yet that hasn't necessarily happened in every case. one of the things he did -- one of the first things he did was try to get steve bannon out the door. it doesn't seem like the white house is in as full control as they had hoped. what is going on? >> what's worrisome is it really harkens back to the early days of administration, when there was a kind of unchecked chaos in the west wing, and kelly was coming in supposedly to fix that. when he came in, there were really two things he had to think about. one, how do you manage trump? he said, i'm not going to try to do that, but he said i'm going to try to manage the white h

will she invoke executive privilege as steve bannon did?cratic congressman jim himes a member of the house intel committee. good morning, congressman. >> good morning. >> what are you hoping to ask hope hicks? >> we start with what we hope won't happen is the kind of expansive envocation of executive privilege we saw from steve bannon saying the president was asserting his privilege not over just conversations he had with the president but with conversations that extended back into the transition. it's going to be very hard, obviously, to get a comprehensive feel for what went on on matters of interest to the investigation if individuals won't even talk about the transition much less what's happening in the white house. so we're hoping, as we have seen from other white house officials, to actually be able to have a reasonably comprehensive conversation. >> but if not, if she goes the steve bannon route, if she does invoke executive privilege, remember, steve bannon, former chief strategist to the president, said the white house asked him to

if he doesn't, they should be prepared to hold steve bannon in contempt of congress. we are hearing from sources close to bannon that he is willing to risk being held in contempt and he is willing to answer the questions that bob mueller has but not the house intelligence committee. >> we'll see what happens next week. thank you very much. a key member of the senate foreign relations committee. >> it is always good to be with you. >> let's begin with the breaking news. president trump's threat to shut down the federal government on thursday, midnight thursday, if democrats don't meet his demands on immigration. can the president potentially ruin any potential chance of a deal? >> as we get close to agreement, the president steps in and makes it very difficult to get our job done. he created this problem when he put a date on the backs of the dreamers. there was not a crisis. he created the crisis. yes, it will be good for congress to act. now we have to act. and we're getting closer to acting. but the president's threats just make it much, much more difficult. now thre

and we'll see how far the committee pushes. >> so michael, when steve bannon appeared before the committeehe actually conferred with the white house counsel during his testimony. do you think hicks will be more cooperative than bannon was? >> probably not. i think, though, that it's not inappropriate for a witness to confer with white house counsel, to ask whether or not the president is interested in asserting privilege with respect to a question that was put forth to her. they can't do it preemptively. the president really needs to assert that privilege. and we'll see how it plays out. i think, though, in answer to the question you asked john as well, my thought might be that one of the key areas that they'll want to inquire of hicks is the june 9th meeting that jared kushner and manafort and don jr. attends with five russians. and then the follow-up memorandum or press release, i guess, that was drafted on air force one that she and jared and the president, now president, drafted, which was untruthful. i think that will be important to them to try to get to the bottom of that. i don't t

. >>> steve bannon set to sit down with robert mueller's team. how worried should this president be? >>> outfront, speaking for the president. the white house insisting that president trump takes domestic violence quote, very seriously and supports the victims. words the president has not said himself. >> the president and the entire administration take domestic violence very seriously and believe all allegations need to be investigated thoroughlily. the president supports victims of domestic violence and believes everyone should be treated fairly and with due process. >> if that is true that the president supports victims of domestic violence above all, why did trump tweet this over the weekend. quote, people lives are being shattered and destroyed by a mere allegation. some are true and some are false. some are old and some are new. there's no recovery for someone falsely accused. life and career are gone. is there no such thing any longer as due process. porter's second wife responded to that tweet. saying the words mere allegation and falsely

why is steve bannon different? it may be because they feel they cannot control steve bannon. i do not know. it does concern me that steve bannon has the same counsel as others in the white house. in any event, that is where we are. i think there is no choice in our committee but to move forward with contempt. mr. bannonpect that has been informed that they will only stonewall so far. they will never allow him to be fined or go to jail, but they do wish to draw up the process as long as they can. the security of classified information in the white house, we are reporting that 135 people in in the -- in the executive office of the president, including assistance to the president, including the general counsel as of november did not have proper security clearance to handle. how are they doing their jobs? leadersludes a division and the national security council as well as the deputy national security advisor. if they are doing their jobs, is that a violation of national security? are they being cleared by the president to do what they have to do? for us toery hard gain visibilit

very much in line with what steve bannon did when he came before the committee on two separate occasions is that would not answer questions about his time after the campaign. there's been a bit of a shift in the last several moments. one member emerged and said hope is starting to answer questions about the transition period. she had answered questions that the transition when she met with the intelligence committee and they are saying they should be afforded the same right to get their questions answered about the transition. still, she is not answering questions about her time at the white house and democrats are not happy saying she should be subpoenaed. >> i have less hope we'll get to all the answers. >> has there been a subpoena issued for her? >> no. >> should there be? >> yes. for anyone who doesn't answer questions, they ought to be subpoenaed. >> reporter: so far we're not seeing as much concern from republicans about her refusal to answer key questions as they had with steve bannon. threatening on hold him in contempt. today, we are told by several members, republican members

carol: steve bannon has another warning for the white house. julia: all that ahead on "bloomberg businessweek." ♪ carroll: we are here with the editor, joel webber. but start with remarks in asia, that bears close watching. business week has been writing about the debt pile up in china. china has been doing something to get rid of that. joel: this is called the europe the dog. what we will be talking about is deleveraging. the debt pile up in china is enormous. there's been a number of people. for years, people have been calling for, something is going to give. it will be bad for the global economy. all eyes on this in general. where our story picks up on that is talking about, the number is $30 trillion. that's how much we are talking about here. it's massive. the number people pick up on is gdp. what do you do about that? this will be -- deleveraging will be with us is about. julia: still providing credit to companies that they are not concerned about, but they are also cracking down on big corporate's that have been spending. >> it's not eve

with former white house strategist steve bannon. they both expressed frustration with mr. bennett's lack of cooperation -- mr. bannon's lack of cooperation with the house investigation. we hear first from mr. conaway. >> something going on you guys are interested in? the interview with mr. bannon has been completed. we are moving to the next steps to complete the investigation. answer all the questions we would like answered. a little bit of frustration with respect to that. there were 25 questions the white house authorized to

the house intelligence committee delays its speenl a to former white house adviser steve bannon saying the white house isser planning to limit questioning. nim president's lawyers reportedly don't want him to

meet with steve bannon, and then what would happen?> i was scheduled to meet with -- i mean, i've had a lot of meetings with steve and steve was one of the pillars of this book, but i basically met with everybody and everybody was under the impression that they were supposed to meet with me. [laughter] >> where did they get this impression from? did that come from the president or because you were talking to steve bannon, they figured, well, we should probably talk to him, too. >> i think it came from -- i mean, i was introduced around by various people, bit hope hicks, the president's kind of personal pr person. kelly ann conway, sean spicer. this was not a mystery here. now, i think on one level nobody quite knew how this came about, and everybody looked a little puzzled by things, but it was -- there was no friction here. >> there was no -- >> friction. nobody was saying, what are you doing sneer everybody was saying, okay, okay, yeah, yay. >> they would see you sitting in west wing lobby and then you would say bannon and they would

steve bannon was a senior official for all of that. mueller is honing in for the obstruction of justice piece. remember, for all the evidence we saw today, the obstruction of justice piece is the one place where we've seen so far direct claims of possible legal liability against the president himself. i suspect that's what steve bannon is the most relevant witness for in that 20-hour conversation with bob mueller and his team. >> we also don't know yet who else they might be turning and who they have something on. so that remains a big question. matt apuzzo, i know you reminded one of our producers tonight of two things -- mueller doesn't like endless investigations, a, and, b, his work often looks like a reverse flow chart, starting wide and then moving tight toward the top. so jared, don jr., michael cohen are on your list of big names we've yet to see take that walk. >> that's right. i can't see a situation where mueller's team's not interested in having a real conversation with the three of them. it would make sense to have that co

i want to zero in on steve bannon lost in the mix here. a lot of anticipation to him coming to the house intelligence committee after his confusing experience last time where he wouldn't answer any questions. now he's just not showing up. it seems that those issues on what questions he's going to answer have not been settled. where is this going? who's going to settle this question so that the house intelligence committee can interview him as it's interviewed so many other people? >> yes, we're having a game of congressional "who's on first." we've seen this with jeff sessions. preemptively invoking executive privilege and going around and around. you know, ultimately it's up to the members of congress to enforce a subpoena and essentially make him answer those questions. and if they choose not to do that, then, you know, then these people can get away with it. we've seen this pattern go on. but if they do choose to try to enforce it, and the white house actually tries to actually invoke executive privilege, that could potentially get liti

>> what's important is that steve bannon come before our committee. think it's unprecedented that he has now cancelled for the third time, and i also think it's really important to remember that we had to subpoena him before he would testify. and i think it's really odd that the white house is asserting a privilege that steve bannon may have during the transition. as you and i both know, there's only one president at a time and during the transition, it was president obama that had that privilege, so for trump to be asserting that privilege, it's invalid. >> if they are overreaching into the privilege during the transition period, and doing all this bobbing and weaving, do you think that bannon knows more than anybody else you've heard of? >> it duds mean that the white house is asserting a privilege for this particular witness that they're not doing for other witnesses. it does cause me to pause and be concerned. obviously we're going to follow the facts where they lead us, but i think it's really important that he come back before our committee and

you talk about steve bannon, a person donald trump calls sloppy steve, for so long his chief strategistwas very important for the key months in which donald trump won the presidency. steve bannon was a key figure and entered the white house. general michael flynn, national security adviser, anthony scaramucci, sean spicer, reince priebus, katie walls, as well as key figures outside of the administration, james comey, the fbi director, recently andrew mccabe, fbi deputy director. all of these people, they are people who have either been fired or quit in the first year of the donald trump white house. it looks like chaos. first year of the donald trump white house. it looks like chaoslj first year of the donald trump white house. it looks like chaos. ido first year of the donald trump white house. it looks like chaos. i do not agree with that. some did not serve the president well. steve bannon blew up the president himself and has only himself to blame. a man who lied about his meetings with the russians? no, his actions were legal. he lied to the fbi agent. we will get to something whic

steve bannon went in to speak with the special counsel, spent two days there, grilled for hours, we'ref limits and he was expected to be asked about the firing of former fbi director james comey, as well as the firing of national security adviser michael flynn. a very different tone and approach in this special counsel interview than what lawmakers got from steve bannon when he went in front of the house intelligence committee on thursday. he refused to answer questions that had to do with his time in the white house, his time in the transition. he said the white house told him to invoke executive privilege. and as you can imagine, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle were not happy about that one. >> some even talking about exploring contempt. we'll see if that happens. sara murray, thank you so much. >>> let me bring in paul callan, okay so let's talk about gates first. potential plea deal. how significant is that? >> i think he's more of a side figure than a central figure in a potential case against the president. remember, he was indicted along with paul manafort, who was a campai

most important thing that you want to learn from steve bannon?essman schiff steve bannon : has a lot to say about the russian investigation. these expressed concerns about money laundering, somethingthat also concerns me a great deal. he described that meeting in trump tower is not only unpatriotic but treasonous. we like to know some of the reasons why he feels this was of that severity but obviously he , could shed a lot of light on events that took place during the campaign. mike flynn's interactions with the russian ambassador and his private efforts to undermine the sanctions imposed over russia's interference in the election and the false statement that comes out of the administration about that june trump tower meeting. he would probably have like to shed on that as well. mike allen: the president we saw how was the microphone last night saying 100 percent, a republican house member urged him to release acontroversial memo out of your committee about the originsof russian investigation. you have seen this 3.5 page classified memo, when it

as we mentioned, we learned today that donald trump's former chief strategist steve bannon has now beennterviewed by robert mueller. nbc reporting the interviews took place over multiple days this week for a total of some 20 hours bannon has been less than forth coming with the house intelligence committee. his first encounter last did not go well. white house orders, he refused to answer questions about the transition and his time in the west wing and issued a subpoena on the spot. bannon did essentially the same thing when he returned to capitol hill today answering only 25 yes or no questions written by the white house and replying no to each one. now the big question is, will the committee hold him in contempt. joining me is someone who was there for the interview today. eric swalwell of california. so i'm a little confused how this went down today. bannon came in and what happened? >> good evening, chris. first let me say my head and heart are with the families down in florida. as the a disgrace that is congress recessed early today and out all next week without doing anything. we

steve bannon knows everything about what happened.l very confident in that, that he was plugged in and in a way that others work. it's great he's talking about mueller in such an open way. 18 hours is a lot of testimony to be getting. i'm wondering when this thing is going to wrap up. why is it a waste of time? george papadopoulos, mike flynn, why is it a waste of time? >> lawrence: all for with russia. >> jessica: mike flynn? >> dagen: what about devin nunes? he gets credit for uncovering the fact that the fbi was relying on a phony dossier funded by the democrats. >> lawrence: no investigation on that, though. >> jessica: the investigation started because george papadopoulos -- >> kennedy: they are wasting their time and resources instead of following up on tips about unstable people. >> jessica: they are not fbi agents. who can do it all? >> dagen: sadly, the fbi is doing almost nothing. abc, meantime, facing a tidal wave of criticism after a host of the view mocked mike pence's christian faith. how they are responding. patrick wok

we do know that steve bannon is sitting down with mueller. julia, his interview is going to be next week? >> that's right, katy. and another thing we reported that's sort of coming up to light again now is the fact that bannon was given the option of being either suspected or going back a step and being able to sit down, having his lawyer by his side, while he spoke to mueller's team. at first, he was suspected, because it looked like he was going to refuse that first option. and then he went back to that. it seems that he would rather be able to sit in a position with his lawyer than go before the grand jury. but one thing he keeps pushing off is going before the house intelligence committee. they postponed for the third time today that interview. we know they suspectbpoenaed hin he decided to claim executive privilege over a broad swath of questions and now there's a back and forth between the white house on that committee to see what questions they can ask. he won't be able to have that same back and forth when he goes before mueller's tea

donald trump excommunicates steve bannon. january 11 s-hole country. january 12, report of payment to stormy daniels. i get flustered reading that. january 19, government shuts down. january 25, first report trump tried to fire mueller. february 2nd, trump releases gop memo, devin nunes memo. february 8 rob porter resigns, domestic abuse. february 9 government briefly shuts down again. february 9 rebuttal memo. second white house official resigns amid allegations of domestic abuse. >>> where are we heading, kimberly? >> it's infrastructure week, nicolle. >> i didn't make my list. >> this is what we're supposed to be talking about, that and the president's budget which i was talking to another reporter saying, remember when the president released his budget and we would go through it with highlighters and, you know, be talking about what the president's priorities are? all that stuff is taking a back seat because of this constant, just constant set of events happening coming out of the white house that is undercutting everything that the president shoul

so why is steve bannon different? it may be because they don't feel they can control steve bannon. i don't know. although it does concern me that steve bannon has the same counsel as others in the white house. but -- in any event that's where we are. i think there's really no choice for our committee but to move forward with with contempt. and i would suspect that mr. bannon has been informed that they'll only stone wall so far they will never allow him to be fined or go to jail but they wish to draw process as long as they can. >> i want to ask you about security of classified information in the white house we're reporting that 135 people in the office the executive office of the president including assistance to the president including general counsel as of november did not have proper security clearances to handle. code word security, how are they doing their job? and this includes by the way division leaders in the national security counsel as well as the deputy national security advisor. and a if they're doing their job, instead of violation of the national security, were they