a major figure in republican politics, steve bannon was mr. p's chief strategist in the first seven months of his administration. steve, thank you very much, indeed, for joining us. >> thanks, gerry. gerry: you've seen all the polls, you consume them all the time, but the latest fox news poll says president trump, 38%, vice president biden, -- he's in deeper trouble than when you took over his campaign. how does he get out of this? >> look, it's very simple. i know you're trying to be ironic about year zero. this, what's going on with these anarchists and these cultural marxists right now, to me, is what the vote in november is going to be about. year zero, this is all from the french revolution, from the boll bolsheviks, from the cultural revolution under mao. first they have to tear down your history, they have to reeducate you. this is not about racism or policing efforts, this is not -- the purpose of the revolution is the revolution. there's no set of demands, there's no set of demands you can have, no set of demands you can make. and i th

bye bye. ♪ ♪ gerry: steve bannon is my guest. the worst finish this is the worst domestic unrest we've seen since 1968. richard nixon pledged to restore law and order. people, for all the concern there was undoubtedly about race relations, people were really concerned about what seemed to be disintegrating order in the country, and a strong republican message won this. the president doesn't seem to have got that message across this time, and we're seeing statues coming down, we're seeing cities occupied. why isn't the president making a stronger case that this country is, essentially, out of control, and it needs restoration of order? >> well, he did sign the executive order to start talking about police reforms. two things, law and order with reforms. i have been an advocate the president could call a national president's commission on policing minorities, and let's work through this as americans. joe biden's right, this election's going to come down for a battle for the soul of america. i think president trump is naturally a la

it has been a weird ride for old steve bannon. but along the way, mr. as picked up acolytes including, apparently, this man. michael pack, who has also made a career of making right wing movies. he described steve bannon as his mentor. and this is the guy who trump nominated, the guy who says steve bannon is his mentor, who spent his own career making weird right wing movies of his own like the tyranny of the gays on college campuses and how white male christians are the only people discriminated against anymore. president trump has nominated that guy, the bannon acolyte guy who makes the antigay documentaries about the oppression of christians, president trump has nominated him, michael pack, to take over the agency that overseas voice of america, radio free europe, middle east broadcasting network and all the rest. now, it is widely perceived in washington that the president started attacking voice of america and calling them disgusting and denouncing them literally as communists not because of anything particularly interesting or outre that voa had do

he describes steve bannon as his mentor. the guy who trump nominated -- president trump has nominated that guy, the bannon acolyte guy who makes the anti-gay documentaries about the oppression of christians -- president trump has nominated him, michael pack, to take over the agency that oversees voice of america, radio free europe, middle east broadcasting and all the rest. now, it is widely perceived in washington that the president started attacking voice of america and calling them disgusting and denouncing them literally as communists not because of anything particularly interesting or outre that voa had done. it's widely believed in washington that the president started mounting that criticism of voice of america because he wanted to goose momentum to get that guy's nomination through, to get his guy installed as the head of the agency that oversees all of these broadcast networks. among other things, i should tell you the white house criticism of voice of america led the cdc, the centers for disease control of all place

i hate to be a praiser of steve bannon.sident would be in better shape bh sub stanively and politically if he would have listened to people in that wing. judy: interesting. we forgot about that and mark, to t it all off, it's what we program, trying to get rid of the affordable care act. >> john baner, fmer republican speaker of the house was candid he said 25 yearsn the republican of the house, not once, never once did republicans ever agree on a healthcare plan. and he was absolutely right. healthcare plan.en a republican they're trying to repeal, replace the -- the affordable care act. but at a time when 20 million people turning to it havin lost their jobs and, you know, at a me when it is more popular than it ever was when barack obama was president. and you know, with every healthcare group of any significance in hospitals and doctors and -- except the american nurses association on ing the administratio this -- what happensf they win and there's noe affordable c act and there's no preexisting coverage? it's an absolu

and try to adhere to steve bannon's old advice.ember, steve bannon, in 2016, told candidate trump, as long as you can keep them, which is to say -- about race, we win. this announcement, which was a minor adjustment by him, says he's doubling down on that bet. >> yeah. gentlemen, thank you. i appreciate it. made some news during this segment. i hope to see you all soon. be safe. >>> the president, suggesting that ending bigotry and prejudice will be easy. it'll happen quickly. that's what he says. and i've got something to say about that, next. can my side be firm? and mine super soft? with the sleep number 360 smart bed, on sale now, you can both adjust your comfort with your sleep number setting. but can it help keep me asleep? absolutely, it intelligently senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both effortlessly comfortable. and snoring? no problem. and done. so you can really promise better sleep? not promise. prove. it's the final days to save up to $600 on select sleep number 360 smart beds. plus 0% intere

joining me, former trump white house chief staff just, steve bannon. you have had the pandemic. the snap recession. racial unrest in this country. how would you frame this election if you were the president. it looks like he's saying i'm a man of action. i'm going to bring back the country and take on china while biden is a sleepy corrupt puppet who will destroy the economy. >> you heard john roberts talk about the enthusiasm people have for getting this campaign under way. this is not just a rough patch. it's one of the most turbulent times we visibilisy undergone in modern history. this was an economy that worked for the people at the lower end of the scale. that's what president trump showed through action action action. he built a terrific economy. this rally is very important. but next week as president he goes down to the wall in yuma to see the new wall being built down there. he goes to wisconsin there there is an order for 10 navy ships. he will bring back the supply chain back to the united states, and he's running against the globalists. as he lays out his vision for

plainly anti-trump, so more examples pile up and that the notion that the media has become what steve bannonition party. >> dana: i will read it this afternoon, and i will send you a note. howie kurtz, always love having you on the show. thank you. a russian court sentencing a former u.s. marine to 16 years behind bars, they accused him of spying. national security correspondent jennifer griffin is live at the pentagon with more on this. jennifer. >> paul wheel and a one time u.s. marine service who attended a friend's wedding in december 2018 after a friend met him at the metro hotel and handed him a usb flash drive that allegedly contained a classified names of russian intelligence agents. his family and lawyer say it was a set up by the fsb, russians modern kgb service. mike pompeo demanded his immediate release "the united states is outraged by the decision of a russian court today to convict a u.s. citizen paul wheel and after a secret trial with secret evidence and without appropriate allowances for defense witnesses." a moscow court as he mentioned sentenced him to 16 years of hard la

bannon, but i thheer of steve president would be in better shape substantively and potically if he had listened to people in that wing. >> woodruff: interesting. we've forgotten about that. ffd, mark, to top it all o it's what we talked about early in the program, the administration going to thepr e court to try to, yet again, do away with the affordable care act. i this something that'sly to wn him friends an admirers at this stage of his reelection effo? >> no, judy. john boehner, former republican speakeof the house, was very candid on the subject, said 25 years as a reblican in the house, not once, never once did republicans ever agree on ahe thcare plan. and he's absolutely right, there's neff been a republican p healthcaan. they're trying to repeal, replace the affordable care act, but, at a time when 20 million people turning to it, haing lost their jobs and, you know, at a time when it is more popular than it ever was when barack obama was president. healthcare group of anyry significance in hospitals and doctors and -- exept the american nurse's association -- opposing the adm

he had steve bannon in. we don't know if he still talks to him. the alt right is a cleaned up version of white nationalism. it's hard to believe anything is coincidental with those people around. do we tistill have cal? >> reporter: i'm here, and can you hear me? >> these are hardcore people for trump. it's very, very white. it's people who are already voting for trump. do the people that you've talked to today, do they think that they are adding to donald trump's support or are they just there to revel in this kind of religion of trumpism? >> reporter: revel. they're here to revel in the religion of trumpism and the crowds are at a bigger fever pitch than they were four years ago, but there's fewer of them and i think a bit more hardcore. this visual that you sort of laid out of the police separating donald trump supporters from protesters is happening. it's happening in front of our eyes. i can see -- see the guy with the alex jones shirt there? you have members of what i think is info wars media standing behind the police line. it's alienating

mcmaster, reince priebus, steve bannon, rex tillerson among them. why do you think they failed in their effort to have some serious discipline over there? >> i think there were a lot of different reasons. i don't think it was necessarily inevitable we're in the chaos that we are now. other people tell me that even today that is a fatuous idea. trump will be trump and nothing can correct it. i believed when i went into the government and people will read the book and decide whether i was right or wrong that we could do better. i don't think i succeeded so i'll join the list of people who couldn't get order. but in the potentially deadly area of national security it is very important for presidents to make considered decisions. i am a conservative republican. i have been since i handed out leaflets for barry goldwater in 1964. we're not dealing with a president who has a philosophy. i am not saying he is a swishy liberal democrat. he doesn't have any philosophy at all. i think that is a problem, too. >> let's get to some of the specific charges, alleg

. >> and all we have to say is that steve bannon, the mentor of michael pack. we will stay on this. thanks so much. congratulations on the book. and coming up next, nascar's bubba wallace says he will not be deterred in his fight against racism after a noose was found hanging in his team's garage. jamel hill joins us next. stay with us. you're watching msnbc. >>> ohorrifying raceant incident marring nascar's reopening in alabama where a noose was found in bubba wallace's garage stall. nascar is outraged. comes two weeks after wallace is nascar's only full-time black driver convinced them to ban confederate flags at its racing tracks and facilities. a plane also flew overhead with a banner saying defund nascar. wallace tweeting overnight today's despicable act of racism and hatred leaves me incredibly saddened and serves as a in aful reminder of how much further we have to go as a society and how persistent we must be in the fight against racism. >>> joining me now is jamel hill and host of spotify podcast jamel hill is bothered. we're all bothered by this. such a dreadful turn when

trump allies like steve bannon have been trying to take control of voa and other parts of the agencyration day. this has been going on for years, but the senate slow-rolled the white house and not until earlier this month did michael pac get confirmed as the new trump-appointed ceo of the agency. well, now heads have rolled and trump loyalists are taking the place of some of the ousted organization heads. one of the many people ousted in recent days is karen, joining me now to talk more about this along with "washington post" reporter sarah ellison who has been all over this story. karen, tell us briefly, why should viewers care about what happens at usagf? >> make no mistake, brian, what happened wednesday night is a win for america's adversaries. the ceos were fired were racking up big wins against china, russia, iran, north korea. for instance, they had a 24/7 russian language global digital and broadcasting network that was broadcasting to russians what was really happening. this is really concerning. and, you know, as you've covered, the disinformation battle has come home. when

defending confederate statues and forts and beating up on players who are kneeling, he and folks like steve bannon these are winners in the cultural war and right now they look like big losers. >> and they don't want to be more in the policy debate, but here is the interesting thing, joel, the polls, steve kornacki saying the president is appro h approaching the, quote, danger zone, trails joe biden by an average of eight points. if you're the biden campaign, how do you capitalize on that? >> i think you let the president keep talking. keep giving him rope. the metaphorically get himself in trouble here. what is interesting, you talk about the race politics and i think charlie made a great point here, that i'll expound on, the president's race politics suggested sensibilities of black americans who feel ostracized by this white house. it also defends white independents to moderates. people who wanting in to do with this. remember, joe biden founded his campaign, started his campaign after charlottesville. called that out in the leadup to his campaign. i think that's very much something that is goi

but what trump describes the conflict of interest his own aides including steve bannon said it was petty and ridiculous robert mueller was once a member of the trump golf course in virginia because he hadn't used it for years and years he'd been living in the district and it one point he try to get a refund from the club and he and the club manager by all intensive purposes look like a cordial back-and-forth between them and then they talked about the refund and that's it trump spins it is some business that has a conflict of interest. he also plans with robert mueller had a separate conflict of interest because he was interviewed to be the fbi director would trump adjust fire james comey, the catalyst for the russian investigation. : : : a very prominent example of trump spreading disinformation but a political foe, or antagonist. nancy pelosi, speak speaker of the house, gets on his radar very often and awesome whenner where hearing trump making some outrageous or incredible claim about nancy pelosi, there's not much there when you start scratching. so the example we put in the book wa

talk, right wax but you're right, i mean, that part of it i would agree with is, if you look at steve bannon or the language of donald trump uses, yes, it's driving us in this direction of racism and demagoguery. i think the basic point is, look, i think it would be a mistake to sugarcoat this. i am a liberal. i believe people should have -- i don't like the fact that there are people with civil liberties in hong kong today and the chinese government wants to take those away, you know? that's an area where america should stand up and say we disagree with this. i'm not saying we should go to war about it but we should have that debate with china. by the way, read chinese media about the u.s. it is not pleasant, right? let's have that debate. but to your point let's cooperate when we can. we have to have mature enough relationship, the way in which it doesn't have to become a cold war. i want too have vigorous debate about political -- i want to try to putes in place multilateral frameworks for how you resolve territorial disputes in the south china sea. i could go on but it went to work with

steve bannon is a producer for the rachel maddow show and the author of a new and important book "themposters how republicans quit governing and seized american politics." we learned of one woman who was protesting the event inside of the barricaded area at the b.o.k. center. apparently she had a ticket. she was arrested by the police at the direction of the trump campaign despite saying she had a ticket to the event. i want to get more into the story. here with me is that woman the teacher sheila buck. thank you for joining us. >> you're welcome. thank you. >> sheila, tell me a bit about what happened. where were you and how did you find yourself there? >> i literally left my house. i live on main street two blocks from the b.o.k. i heard protesters out in the street cheering for trump and i wanted to see what was happening at the b.o.k. >> were you supposed to be attending the event? >> i have a ticket, yes. i have a ticket. i had two tickets. >> so what caused them to get you out of the line or take you out? >> i would see them and i would pray and i got down on my knees and i pray

one question last question you are part of a group of high profile trump supporters including steve bannon sheriff david clarke and others who are planning on raising private money to build a wall along the us mexico border you even have a go fund me page what i don't get though is i'm. pretty sure i heard donald trump say that mexico would be paying for the war. don't discount mexico actually paying for the wall i think most of us have but yet more and more news on that look there's a lot of places where it's federal land and in a go fund me individual effort is not possible but there's a lot of places where u.s. ranchers or u.s. landowners own land right up to the border they are sick of their farms effectively being massive transit spots for drug and criminal activity and so they would welcome that the guy who started that is a triple amputee a military veteran who started it and he's raised more than $20000000.00 and the cost per the you for the loss of people for money when many when trump told us more than a 100 times people have counted that mexico would pay for the wall so why do w

when they resign or when he fires them he then attacks the yeah i don't like that he's a sloppy steve bannon dumb as a rock rex tillerson iraqi owner as he called her a dog highly unstable not job scaramucci ironic clueless bonehead jerome powell these are the people trump treats his people well you wrote i was at work look i don't like that he does that but i do like how does that fit with. your opinion as it has every description the trump treated people don't seem to treat people i'm saying as the people who are around him love him you know the liars them and then love the many so you know what prompt us he's a c.e.o. if people. use them and that's what a good c.e.o. should do year i'm president i'm pretty sure it is somebody who is able and don't want to go and get rid of 3 and call them a nickname or a dog i'll look that's a different issue how me saying there's an issue what's the issue is that i agree with you he shouldn't call these people names but i am i do think that if they're not provided you know what i'm asking what he does i don't know i mean i guess i don't know what i say v

sunday morning futures," fox news this sunday i spoke with former white house steve strategist steve bannone told me he thinks it is going to get that manufacturing up and running to get this economy back on track in a big way watch what he said i want to get your reaction. >> bring american capital back, for american jobs, through american companies, that will make america the leader and fourth industrial revolution that is what this country needs millennials need i think yesterday great juxtaposition two tunz if donald trump says nothing inevitable it is human action human agency that does that i think time to get focused on american jobs, and bringing high value-added manufacturing jobs back to the american people. maria: richard do you want to see that there are at least 60 bills in congress right now holding china accountable many which are focused on supply chains being brought back to america is that going to do it is that the trick we need. >> first of all, i think every american, wants to see the jobs brought back to the united states. because the american workers the most hardwork

the coronavirus and the shutdown on sunday morning futures i spoke with white house strategist steve bannonho told me what it will take to get the economy back on track and he mentions firing up the other side of the economy and that is the manufacturing side, watch this. >> bring american capital back for american jobs through american companies, that will make america the leader and the fourth industrial revolution. that's what the country needs, that's what the millennials need we have two alternatives. like donald trump says inevitable and it's time to get focused on american jobs and high-value added manufacturing jobs back to the american people. maria: so, mark, mark that requires supply chain coming back from china, do you see that happening and in the midst of all of this how are you allocating capital? you say it's two different stories and investing and making money. mark: well, if you're going to invest based on industrial resurgence i think that's more of a 3, 5 or even a 7-year outlook, the supply chains are not going to move right away. i think a combination of this coronavir