now steve bannon. and now steve bannon. mr. bannon is a target of the investigation for the investigation because, quote -- this is from the select committee's own report -- quote, his efforts to plan political activity, that's the standard. if you're involved in political activity, they're going to investigate you. we know what this is really about. this is about getting at president trump. getting at president trump. tried to stop president trump before he was even elected with the russia investigation. tried to remove president trump from office twice. while he was in office they tried to do that, and now they're trying to get him after the fact, after he's left. all because this guy cut taxes, reduced regulations, the greatest economy in 50 years, the lowest unemployment all because he built a wall, got us out of the iran deal. americans got their christmas presents on time. but they're coming after him. the roeuter story said this. they don't care the fbi has no evidence. no evidence of a coordinated plan. they don't care.

steve bannon is defying congress.ing at the electoral fallout of being too associated with steve bannon, but to your point about why these cops are on television, i will say that one of the -- to use betsy's term, one of the gutting things about watching officer fanone was the way that the contrast between how seriously he takes what happened and understands the danger here in contrast to condolezz rice who says we should just move on and i've always admired condolzza rice, and we talk about the republican party but it's the failure of the leaders, those who ought to be the best among the republicans and you work with condolezza rice and i have to say that came as a gut punch to see her saying, can we just move on. that contrast between someone who had been at the pinnacles of government saying, yeah, can we just turn the page and this street cop who is explaining why that can't happen and the threat to democracy. that contrast is pretty dramatic and it does tell you something about our politics, something that we hav

steve bannon has no legal defense and the grand jury should indict steve bannon for criminal contempt of congress. >> maya, i mean, steve bannon hasn't been working the white house since 2017. he was long gone by the time he was having these conversations. he was already out. trump got mad because he cooperated in books and gave quotes. he was not involved at all in the trump administration by the time january 6th, 2021 happened so he's not even close to where he could get an executive privilege claim. the fact he's doing it says to me inparting upon himself the immunity trump has been used to and say i'll maybe wait it out. maybe i'll go ahead and violate this law. maybe i'll go to jail and i'll just take it because he's operating under the same crazy fox news world assumption that he can just wait it out, thug it out, go to jail and donald trump will magically come back into power or come back into power because they steal the election and pardon him. if he's thinking that, would he be crazy to think that? >> you know, well, the short answer is all of this is a stalling tactic. i me

rather than the attention being on steve bannon. of this is 12 months, it's a federal sentence. maybe he serves eight, nine, something like that. you think -- >> he would be in heaven. he would literally be in heaven. this would make, make his career and his life. >> he would do the time and cash in on the time presumably. >> absolutely. absolutely. i mean, it would be -- i mean, i really can't, i have been watching this and i have been thinking, you know, this steve, he is just the luckiest man on earth. >> now, if, let's go to the theoretical, where the committee ends up questioning him. we just saw, you know, jim jordan today trying to answer questions about how many conversations he had with donald trump around january 6th. what would testimony from steve bannon be like if was under oath trying to avoid perjury? possibly using the fifth amendment here and there? >> yeah, that is one of the interesting things about this, i don't think that steve bannon has much to testify to. he really was not in, certainly he was not in close con

the january 6th committee is going to hold this vote to hold steve bannon in criminal contempt. ld use to try to have him jailed for defying subpoenas. i'm joined by steve schmidt, a political strategist who has now left the republican party. good to see you and have you back, sir. >> good to see you, ari. how are you? >> i'm good. we heard from congressman raskin earlier tonight about the prerogatives, the several options. his working theory is he thinks bannon will blink if this is credible threat of jail. your view of that comment from him and the import of tonight's vote. >> i think the vote is very important. i think that the committee has to show real steel here and cannot tolerate obstruction, whitewashing and evasions around getting to matters of fact around an insurrection that ended this country's history of a peaceful transition of power. and so this is a nation, at least for a little while longer, that remains a nation of the rule of law. the congress has acted lawfully, the subpoena is lawful. he is required and compelled to respond to it as a citizen of the united s

steve bannon.ledging allegiance to a flag that is said to have been flown at the rally right before the insurrection at the capitol. here it is. >> she's carrying an american flag that was carried at the peaceful rally with donald j. trump on january 6th. [ applause ] i ask you all to rise and join us as mark lloyd leads us in the pledge. >> face the flag. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands one nation under god indivisible with liberty and justice for all. >> can you believe that? again, can you rewrite that please, danny, director danny, every night. so this is a flag believed to have flown at the insurrection at the capitol on january 6th. this event that happened last night. reportedly they are pledging allegiance to that flag. i'm just going to let you see -- think about that. this is a flag flown at the insurrection. >> an american flag that was carried at the peaceful rally with donald j. trump on january 6th. i ask you all

will he charge steve bannon?sion tonight while negotiating another component of his spending plan. will he use the progressives over this key con investigation? >>> and proof that trump supporters are more loyal than ever. video from a trump rally that you will see to believe. let's go outfront. and good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight the breaking news. we are awaiting a vote this hour by the january 6th committee to an

steve bannon continues to play this game of chicken with the house select committee. on and what drives him to be such a beacon for the far right. tonight this notorious 67-year-old political operative is one of the most sought-after figures in washington. as he continues to elude the house select committee investigating january 6th and risks a contempt of congress charge, those who have covered steve bannon and worked with him are not surprised that he's in the middle of this maelstrom. >> this is somebody who lives by confrontation and believes that sheer force of personality is enough to undo our structures. >> reporter: tearing down the structures of government, stirring chaos in the political establishment are at the core of steve bannon's beliefs and his goals, those who have known him say. something bannon alluded to as he started working for the trump white house in 2017. >> deconstruction of the administrative state. and if you -- >> reporter: at that time bannon's power and proximity to it had few rivals. in the early months of trump's presidency, bannon had

in this case that will be steve bannon.contempt after hearing from lawmakers on the january six committee. also, her from good measure trump acolytes jim jordan and matt gates who showed up just to speak against the move to subpoena bannon. during one lively exchange, games made sure to push the former presidents lies about election fraud. do you accept that joe biden won the 2020 presidential election? >> i accept that joe biden is the president. >> do you accept that he won by 7 million votes, and if he did donald trump -- a margin that donald trump or landslide when he beat hillary clinton by the same numbers? >> i think that our election was uniquely polluted by these indiscriminate mail-in ballots. >> today just to remove any doubt republican house leaders officially reminded their members to vote no, on holding bannon in contempt. one of them used a trump to refrain to renounce e

we begin with the criminal contempt charge in the works for trump loyalist, steve bannon, over his defiance of the january 6th select committee. bannon ignoring, ignoring a subpoena deadline he faced today. our correspondent is following the investigation for us. it looks like, as they say, they're not messing around at all. >> no. in fact, they're sending a message to bannon and the other witnesses they're targeting this this investigation that if you don't comply, they will try to force you but it's a lengthy process. it's ultimately up to the attorney general whether to actually prosecute. tonight, lawmakers investigating january 6th move to hold long time trump add vviser steve ban in contempt after he defied their subpoena. in a statement, the chairman said he will not tolerate defiance of our subpoenas, so we must move forward. >> we're not fooling around. we expect people to fulfill their lawful duties. >> bannon has said he will not co co co comply unless ordered by a court, noted that trump said he would invoke executive privilege. in a letter to lawmakers, bannon's lawyer wrote th

expected to vote in a matter of hours to recommend contempt charges for steve bannon. and to appear for testimony. citing donald trump's previous claims of executive privilege. the committee is making good on its vow to ensure that

now steve bannon. now steve bannon. mr. bannon is a target of the investigation, quote, his efforts to plan political activity, that's the standard. you are involved in political activity, they are going to investigate you. we know this is what about. this is about getting at president trump. try to stop president trump before he was even elected with the russian investigation, tried to remove president trump from office twice while he was in office and tried to do that and now trying to get him after the fact after he has left all because he cut taxes and greatest economy in the history, lowest unemployment all because he built the wall and put the embassy in jerusalem and americans got their christmas presents on time. the reuters story said this, the f.b.i. has found no evidence that people around him were not in charge. no evidence of a coordinated plan. they are going to drag these 11 people in for depositions with subpoenas because they are so determined to get their political enemies. the speaker pro tempore: the gen

he said it's not just about steve bannon.s about showing congress can follow through and do its job. walk me through what we expect to see with this contempt vote later this afternoon. >> what kenz ger said there is the same thing his fellow republican liz cheney has said throughout this process really trying to speak to republicans and her fellow conservatives appealing to her better angels and trying to unlink the hold that former president donald trump still has over the bulk of his party. while we do expect to see, in kinzinger's words, that a handful of republicans may join the vote and send it over to doj, that's not even a small part of the republican party. the majority still stands in the former president's corner as he continues to tell the big lie about the 2020 election, which of course fed into the events here on january 6th. what we do expect, though, you said this vote could come in about an hour. that's an optimistic timeline. what we're watching to see here is after they end this debate period, whether or not

but i caution again that if they don't put the hammer down on people like steve bannon -- steve bannonorist and he needs to be treated as one. he is like an unindicted coconspirator behind january 6th, he's anti-capitalism, he's anti-democracy, he's anti-law and in order, and he is thriving, you know, thriving on the attention that he's getting and flouting the rule of law, sticking his finger in the face of people who believe in the constitution and this committee. so we cannot sit back and treat steve bannon with kid gloves as if this is some institutional good faith effort. treat him like the dangerous mind and this dangerous time we're in and do the job and do not relent. they have to be unrelenting because the american people deserve it. >> terra set meyer, juanita tolliver, thank you both. great to see you this sunday afternoon. >>> transportation secretary pete buttigieg firing back at fox news host tucker carlson's comments about his decision to go on paternity leave. last week carlson mocked buttigieg and his husband's move following the adoption of their two kids saying the t

we'll see if steve bannon used that right here. >> do you think steve bannon's testimony is criticalion? >> sure. he was reportedly in trump's ear from the time of january 6th, leading up to january 6th. i mean, he's been one of donald trump's closest political advisers really from before the 2016 election, so, yeah, and there's plenty of evidence that steve bannon was centrally involved here. the committee said they chose bannon for a reap, so i think that there's a reason that they have picked this fight, and there's a reason they are willing to escalate it to the next level. >> obviously it sends a message, too, to other people who may be getting these subpoenas. elie honig, appreciate it. thanks so much for being here with us. >> you bet. >> ryan nobles, thanks for your reporting. our other story this hour, the nfl facing growing pressure to release documents from the documents that led to the investigation of jon gruden's resignation. leaked e-mails showed misogynistic to other league insiders. the league wants and others want the e-mails to be made public. the probe was launche

case, he may very well feel that he can support a contempt trial and a contempt charge against steve bannon. bannon would then face up to one year in prison and a $10,000 fine if convicted. >> dana, this is, though, more than a legal fight. this is an opening salvo ahmed lots of them over how serious congress is going to take the january 6th investigation, how serious congress and really the public image of congress is and how serious they take subpoena power and investigations. what do you think is at stake with this? >> there's so much at stake. you're absolutely right, kate, that this is first and foremost about fact-finding, about finding out in this case from steve bannon what went on, how much of an impact did he have on what ended up as the insurrection, what kind of communications did he have with the president and people around the president that day. people in and around this committee admit fairly that this is about being taken seriously, that this is going to be a real investigation. and it starts with steve bannon to use him as an example. again, it's not as if they don't want

steve bannon, will comply with our investigation, or he will face the consequences. >> mr. bannon will comply with our investigation, or he will face the consequences. that is mr. congressman, and chairman of the january 6th elect committee, congressman benny thompson. congressman thompson joins us live right now. sir thank you very much for joining us tonight, i know that this is a big and busy night. >> thank you very much for having me rachel. >> so your committee voted unanimously, nine to nothing tonight. to hold mr. bannon in contempt. we understand that the next stop is the vote in the full house, which we have just learned will happen the day after tomorrow on, thursday. what do you expect from that vote? do you expect any republicans, for example, other than the two on your committee, might join democrats in voting to hold mr. bannon in contempt? >> well, rachel, we are hoping so. as you know, this is an opportunity for the house to express its displeasure with what mr. bannon is trying to do. he is actually trying to chart the process of democracy. what we have goi

even if you play this out the entire way and steve bannon is put behind bars, can steve bannon do that? we're looking at a fine of $100,000, we're looking at a month to a year imprisonment. what this does, though, is send a signal to other people being called before this committee who might not be ready to die on that sword. might not be able to benefit politically or financially as steve bannon might be able to considering this world he lives in. mark meadows, kash patel, people who have not been deposed yet before this committee, they haven't been interviewed yet even though they were supposed to be. but we do have a sense that there is some movement, right? they're not out actively defying this. we've gotten word from the committee that this hasn't moved forward yet. it might be a warning to other people to work with them to get documents. the bottom line, though, is even if this follows through, even if the attorney general moves on this, the committee may never get what they want from steve bannon and it could also take a very long time, which is exactly what the committee does no

attorney charge steve bannon. because bannon could say, i had advice of counsel, i don't know what's to do, donald trump told me that i should not give this information, because it's subject to executive privilege. who am i to tell him that he does not have that right. that's for a court to tell him. these could all be defenses. but they are not a defense to him simply showing up and testify, which the law is very clear, that he must do. >> so, does the u.s. attorney, reach out to bannon's attorney, and say, listen, we are going to present this to a grand jury, we have it, do you want to talk about reaching some kind of agreement with the house, before we do this? >> my guess is that steve bannon's lawyer, we'll ask to present to the u.s. attorney, and he will try to make the case, that bannon should not be prosecuted, and he'll present some of those arguments that i just made. that bannon has a reasonable belief that he needs to listen to donald trump, and therefore he is not doing this by his own will. he's doing

steve bannon. i urge all americans to watch what mr. s shocking and indefensible. he said, all hell is going to break loose. he said, "we are coming in right over the target. this is the point of attack we have always wanted." madam speaker, there are people in this chamber right now who were evacuated with me and with the rest of us on that day during that attack. people who now seem to have forgotten the danger of the moment, the assault on the constitution, the assault on our congress. people who you will hear argue that there is simply no legislative purpose for this committee, for this investigation, or for this subpoena. in fact, there is no doubt that mr. bannon knows far more than what he said on the video. there is no doubt that all hell did break loose. just ask the scores of brave police officers who were injured that day, protecting all of us. the american people deserve to hear his testimony. let me give you just four examples of the legislative purpose of this investigation. first, the plot we are investigating involving mr

and so now the matter of steve bannon defying that subpoena, that will be put in the hands of the u.s. attorney in washington, dc to decide if in fact criminal charges against him are warranted. you'll recall that liz cheney lost her post in the republican leadership because of her uncompromising, nonpartisan stance against trump's efforts to overturn the election. she did everything she could today to make this as hard a vote as possible for her fellow republicans. >> there are people in this chamber right now who were evacuated with me and with the rest of us on that day during that attack. people who now seem to have forgotten the danger of the moment, the assault on the constitution, the assault on our congress. people who you will hear argue that there is simply no legislative purpose for this committee, for this investigation, or for this subpoena. mr. bannon's own public statements make clear he knew what was going to happen before it did. and thus he must have been aware of and may well have been involved in the planning of everything that played out on that day. the american

if you are saying that's not the steve bannon i know, who knows? we'll never really know. he is not going to go to trial for it. bannon was in trouble. perhaps he wanted to be back in the good graces with the man with unequivocal pardon power. he began telling trump the things trump wanted to hear. it paid off it appears. in his final hours in the white house, after much back and forth, donald trump, the president, pardoned barn at the last minute. so now it appears the one-time trump campaign chairman feels confident about where he stands as he willfully defies congressional oversight with bogus claims of privilege. while this vote was a preliminary step, it appears that steve bannon's legal headaches may are far from over in the end. congressman adam schiff sits on the select committee committee investigating january 6th. congressman, you have said this in the days leading up to this. i don't think it was unexpected that bannon would thumb his nose at the committee. i am struck by the speed at which this is going. the vote happened tonight. what happens next? >> i expect

>> i'm afraid there is but it's not in steve bannon's favor. the major -- presidents have always had the right to keep discussions secret with their aides but it has to give way before legitimate inquiries from the other branch. the problem here for bannon is that that privilege is between presidents and government employees. he's not working for the government. he can't claim a privilege. and so, i agree with john. i think he is going to end up losing. the interesting thing is as you said, anderson, what comes next? bannon doesn't want to testify before congress. he doesn't want to give evidence out in public that could be used in a prosecution of him for sedition or for insurrection. so i think he -- his next step, he is going to start to consider whether to take the fifth and not show up in congress because he could end up testifying against himself. >> so, it -- if -- but -- but, professor, if this is a misdemeanor, i mean, can he just -- he can do that? he can just plead the fifth? not show up in congress and what would happen? he pays a fi

steve bannon has refused to appear before the panel.t mr bannon had specific knowledge of the events planned forjanuary the sixth before they happened. donald trump has urged former aides to reject the panel's requests, claiming the right to withhold information because of executive privilege. in his opening statement, the chair of the committee democratic congressman bennie thompson expressed astonishment that mr bannon hadn't given evidence: it is shocking that anyone would not do anything in their power to assist our investigation. so it is a shame that mr bannon has put us in this position but we won't take no for an answer. this position but we won't take no for an answer. let's get more from our north america correspondent david willis. what more did we learn today? we learned that this committee is extremely determined to get to the bottom of the events on that fateful day. the 6th of january of this year when a mob of donald trump supporters staged an insurrection at the us capitol and they are pressing ahead with getting steve

steve bannon refused to appear before the panel. that he had specific knowledge of the events planned forjanuary the sixth before they happened. donald trump has urged former aides to reject it is shocking to me. shocking that anyone would not do anything in their power to assist our investigation. so it is a shame that mr manning has put us in this position but we won't take no for an answer. i've been speaking to our north america correspondent — david willis — and i asked him what he had learned from this vote. we learned that this committee is extremely determined to get to the bottom of the events on that fateful day, the 6th of january of this year when a mob of donald trump supporters staged an insurrection at the us capitol and they are pressing ahead with getting steve bannon to give testimony. testimony that he is seeking to avoid. giving to this committee on the grounds that there is executive privilege attached to the remarks and documents you might forward to them. i have to say that there is a feeling today that this i

so why is this select committee interested in steve bannon? it's simple, he is a democrat party bogeyman. >> trump now tries to get his followers like steve bannon not to testify here, and not to turn over evidence that they have about this vicious assault on american democracy. in america, when you are subpoenaed to testify in court, or in congress, you show up, period. >> we are here, going back and forth, arguing if we should continue down a path, of yet another partisan investigation of questionable motives and purpose. >> as we mentioned, what happens next to one city van is now up to the feds, earlier on this network january 6th jamie raskin described the next steps. >> it's that the u.s. attorney for district of columbia, u.s. attorney must go before the grand journey to demanded a mint. we think that it's very likely, given the gravity of this matter is so overwhelming, and the facts are so clear that, he just blew us off. we think the department of justice will move forward,, we're certainly not gonna let anything drag on for a ten mo

steve bannon committed a crime today. people have to understand that. because it is important that people obey subpoenas they get whether from a court or from congress. these are orders of law. you have to comply with them. he committed a crime and so we have referred him for prosecution on criminal contempt. that might not mean a lot to him. if you've got millions of dollars, i think donald trump pardoned him after he took money from trump followers and money -- the wall in mexico and just kept it but the message has to go out to anybody thinking of going down that trump/bannon path that we mean business as adam kinzinger said. the majority of people who have been subpoenaed by us or by the department of justice and various prosecutions have complied. they understand that this was a terrible attack on the united states government, terrible attack on congress in order to overturn a presidential election. and they want to cooperate or at least they understand they've depot a legal obligation to do it. but the point is not a punitive one, lawrence. we're

last week steve bannon's lawyer sent a letter to the committee saying since these privileges belong to president trump and not to mr. bannon, until these issues are resolved, mr. bannon is legally unable to comply with your subpoena requests for documents and testimony. like all trump world lawyers, steve bannon's lawyer is one of those lawyers where you wonder if he really finished law school. he is so wildly wrong. executive privilege no longer belongs to donald trump. it now belongs to president joe biden, and so when steve bannon does not show up for his deposition tomorrow, the house committee is going to recommend to the justice department that steve bannon face criminal charges for contempt of congress. >> i think that steve bannon has been pretty public about his unwillingness to cooperate in any way and from my point of view, it's not up to him. he is required to show up. he's required to testify, and if he doesn't and doesn't have a reason, a legal reason to proffer, which he doesn't, then we will hold him in criminal contempt and we will refer that to the justice department

steve bannon had said no. that's why he is getting a criminal referral. >> can you imagine a scenario, sir, of anybody in mississippi. let's make a theoretical case. black lives matter protesters in your home state saying we've been subpoenaed. we ain't coming. can you imagine any other situation in the criminal justice system where a prosecutor would say in advance we dent want to be too hard on them because of their associations with black lives matter. so we fear that that might radicalize them. can you imagine that being said about anyone other than trump supporters? >> well, given the double standard that people of color in my state have had to endure for quite a long time, that means that most black people who go on to jail in mississippi would come out radicalized. but that's not the case. so clearly i think merrick garland needs to rethink his position that he's credited with having. we can't have that. look, january 6, joy, was awful. it was not a movement. people saw it in realtime. they saw it with

and so therefore decided that they would vote to hold steve bannon, in contempt. the web, democrats who are worried about their sport, they were concerned that if the republicans get control at the midterm elections in 2022 or at some point afterwards, there would be a flurry of subpoenas. and that would just tie up the whole idea of the democrats trying to do any sort of business on capital hill. but in the end, they decided that the question of holding congress in contempt was much more important. and that is why the voted this now goes to the department of justice to make a decision on whether or not to charge steve bannon, mary garland, the attorney general has in the last hour said that they will study the evidence and study the case before making a final decision as thirsty bannon, he said this was a question of executive privilege that he'd been speaking to donald trump. and that it really should be that the court to decide whether or not he was protected under donald trump exercising that executive privilege. but there were those who made speeches includin

attack on the united states�* capitol has unanimously approved a report which recommends that steve bannonde to president trump — be held in contempt of congress.steve bannon refused to appear before the panel. the report says that he had specific knowledge of the events planned forjanuary the sixth before they happened. donald trump has urged former aides to reject the panel's requests, claiming the right to withhold information because of executive privilege. the chair of the committee democratic congressman bennie thompson expressed astonishment that mr bannon hadn't given evidence: and when you think about what we are investigating, the violent attack on the seat of our democracy, perpetrated by fellow citizens, and our constitution, an attempt to stop the certification of an election, a shocking teeny, shocking that anyone would not do anything in their power, to assist our investigation. so it is a shame that mr bannon has put us in this position but we won't take no for an answer. a mob of donald trump supporters staged an insurrection at the us capitol and they are pressing ahead w

will he charge steve bannon? >>> plus, president biden making a major concession tonight while negotiating another component of his spending plan. will he use the progressives over this key con investigation? >>> and proof that trump supporters are more loyal than ever. video from a trump rally that you will see to believe. let's go outfront. and good evening. i'm erin burnett. out front tonight the breaking news. we are awaiting a vote this hour by the january 6th committee to try and hold trump ally steve bannon in criminal contempt. bannon failed to comply with the committee's subpoena claiming executive privilege. now, that vote as i said going to be happening live. we are going to bring it to you as soon as it happens. you will see it live. and you will also hear from both the chairman of the committee, bennie thompson, and one of the only two republicans on the committee, vice chair liz cheney. both are going to speak live here on prime time and so you are going to see them live. of course, cheney one of on

so why is the select committee interested in steve bannon? it's simple. he's a democratic party boogie man. >> not to turn evidence about what they have of this vicious assault of american democracy. in america when you are subpoenaed to testify in court or in congress, you show up. period. >> we are here going back and forth arguing if we should continue down a path of yet another partisan investigation of questionable motives and purposes. >> as we mention what happens next to steve bannon is up to the feds. january 6th committee member jamie rascon describes the next step. >> the u.s. attorney of the district of columbia, u.s. attorney must go before the grand jury to demand an indictment and but we think it's likely given that the gravity of this matter is so overwhelming and that the facts are so clear that he just blew us off that we think the department of justice will move forward, we are not going to let anything drag on for eight months or nine months or nothing like that. >> now, the attorney general has given no indication as to whether he'll

they subpoenaed steve bannon.ast majority of what we need from steve bannon isn't even subject to the privilege claim he's trying to wash over anything to prevent him from speaking. we'll keep an eye on this. ryan nobles is on it. ryan, thank you for that. still ahead for us as well, president biden will be making a pitch for his economic agenda in his hometown today. why he's headed to scranton and what his message is to americans. is the planning effect. this is how it feels to know you have a wealth plan that covers everything that's important to you. this is what it's like to have a dedicated fidelity advisor looking at your full financial picture. making sure you have the right balance of risk and reward. and helping you plan for future generations. this is the planning effect from fidelity. ♪ ♪ your new pharmacy is here. and here. and here, too. it's here to help you save time and money and trips to the pharmacy. it's here to get you the medication you need when you need it. who knew it could be this easy? y

yes, it has a lot to do with steve bannon himself. it also had a lot to do with other groups of individuals they subpoenaed, demonstrating to people like mark meadows and kash patel, the group of rally organizers and jeffery clark, they're willing to do whatever it takes to get the information they are looking for and that includes taking the steps refer to the department of justice and prosecuting the individuals. the committee, this is a strong signal for them today, erin, this was a skeptic they felt they had to take. they're not messing zaaround an today they demonstrated that. >> and gloria borgers is also with me. norm, as i lay out, you can go for criminal contempt but it does not mean it's easy. it's an uphill battle. you were very involved in the house fight to go ahead and subpoena back during the impeachment hearings of don mcgahn. that fight lasted two years, it went to tocourt, trial was overy the time it was settled. this is what happens. can democrats really fight this way and time is not on their s side? >> erin, thank

steve bannon was not in the white house for several years. his claim that he has that protection of executive privilege by the former president is even thinner than the claim, potentially, by some of the others that have been subpoenaed. >> that's right, he was a private citizen at the time under question. you know he is making this claim in order to drag out the process. it could become a legal battle of sorts, but he doesn't seem to have much credibility there according to legal experts that point out that he was nots a figure in the government in this time. >> and there is a clearly some frustration prung critics and those called by the whole insurrection at the capital that this committee, the delay, getting the committee organized, the rejection of the commission, of course, by republicans, that this is a very time consuming process. and the former president and his colleagues want to stretch this out past the midterms, even. >> it would have been time consuming even if it had been started meetly after january 6th. the reality is that th

not just steve bannon. he met with -- suggests that bannon was among several prominent support of efforts to undermine election results. the group that assembled at the willard is reported to have included members of the trump campaign's legal team. several prominent proponents of false election fraud claims that had been promoted by trump. boris epstein was there as well as roger stone, who left the hotel with bodyguards and campaign spokesperson, jason miller. someone will be unwilling to go to jail for donald trump. someone will testify to this committee about where this plan took shape and donald trump's role in it. do you have any sense of where these other individuals stand and how far they're willing to go? >> it's not clear and particularly, many of those folks who were at the willard that day are also part of very much trump's inner circle. people who are closest to him. people who you might say livelihoods are connected to being part of trump's propagating the big lie. they're totally all the way i

something that steve bannon never did. but the point at which it's clear that they're just playing games or they don't intend to participate, again, we will go back to the full panoply of sanctions we have for people who are disobeying a subpoena of the u.s. congress. it has the same authority as a subpoena from a court. >> yeah. i had so much i wanted to ask you just to make sure before i move on. so there is no contingency plan in this investigation to drag out if republicans take over the house in 2022. right? >> no. we're moving as quickly as possible. we already have tons of information. i mean, we want as complete a picture as possible. we owe the american people a complete and comprehensive report under our authorizing constitution what happened on january 6 and the different lines of attack coming against the u.s. congress, what was the attempt to overthrow the election, what was the attempt to activate different parts of the government to act in league with the insurrection, and what do we need to do to prevent th

steve bannon is a radio host. on earth any court that is rational unless, you know, donald trump himself is the judge is going to support -- this is a done deal. but not prosecuting and not giving steve bannon any consequences before is why he's grifting, claiming trump is coming back in 2022 instead of preparing to go to jail. in your view, do you think democrats made a mistake or the justice department i should say made a mistake in not being swifter and tougher on these people because they just -- they don't believe the law applies to them? >> yeah, joy, i don't think congress does oversight well. that's true of the democratic majority and former republican majority. anybody that's in session part time and while their there spending more time raising money than in committee hearings does not do over sight well. so we have to, you know, modulate our expectations. i agree on the merits with ellie and your premise but expect this to go to court. i expect this to be litigated. i expect donald trump to draft a petit

so, you know, they say that this is the most extreme case with steve bannon. and when the cooperation or the engagement starts and say that they are going to be willing to move in the same direction with mark meadows and kash patel, but they haven't reached that point yet. so they are hoping for potentially full cooperation from them. i don't know if they will get it though. >> and susan page, we both covered bill clinton in the white house and since. and we understand off of the white house gaggle with the reporters on air force one that president biden plans to call bill clinton later in the day. not surprising that he would be calling someone he knew so well, a fellow democrat in the hospital. but that is at least the word. but here you have bill clinton who has been really active with the foundation and really focused from everything that we've been able to tell from the schedule, focused on a lot of this work. was at a foundation meeting. hillary clinton was there. and felt fatigued. and this is another health problem. >> yeah. of course he is 75 years ol

author joshua green says steve bannon was introduced to donald trump at least a couple of years before trump's 2016 presidential run. bannon was a perfect fit, green says, to be the c.e.o. of that campaign. >> he didn't come from the republican establishment. he didn't have to answer for anybody. he didn't have a background in gop politics. all he wanted to do was come in and burn things down. >> reporter: bannon lasted only about seven months as trump's political adviser in the white house. booted out, authors say, because trump was jealous of the attention bannon was getting. how did bannon win his way back into trump's good graces? >> he became trump's biggest defender and pushed a lot of these conspiracy theories that have gone from the fringes of u.s. politics to the very center of republican politics today. >> reporter: and joshua green believes the bannon/trump partnership could be further rekindled in the future even if steve bannon has no formal role in the trump presidential run in 2004. if trump runs, green says, bannon could be trump's proxy promoting conpierspiracy theori

steve bannon committed a crime today, people have to understand that. because it's important that people obey -- whether it's from a court or -- these are orders of law and you have to comply with him. he committed a crime and so we've referred him for prosecution on criminal contempt. now that might not mean a lot to him, if you've got millions of dollars and trump donald trump pardoned him after he took those dollars from followers -- that he promised to used to build the wall of mexico but he just kept it. but the messages got to go out to anybody who's taking about going down that trump ban in path, that we mean business. as adam kinzinger said. the majority of people who've been subpoenaed bias, or by the department of justice and the various prosecutions, have complied. they understand that this was a terrible attack on the united states government, a terrible attack on congress, in order to overturn our presidential election. and they want to cooperate or at least they understand that they've got a legal obligation to do it. but the point is not

>> so, steve bannon has spent no time on this whatsoever, and i talked to several people close to steve local republican party dinner. the day they recommended to hold him in contempt, he was watching msnbc, in fact, and he was -- he spent zero time on this. it's all handled by his lawyers. if there's one person in washington who is not concerned by the house select committee's investigation, it is steve bannon. >> kind of stunning. i'm curious, though, what information could he have since he wasn't officially with the trump administration on january 6th? >> so, i think steve bannon played a really key role in the events of january 6th, and this is why the select committee is so focused on his testimony and documents that he can provide and this is why they took this aggressive step to hold him in criminal contempt. it's because he served, according to our reporting at least, as the liaison between far-right groups and the trump campaign and the white house itself. and i think there's more reporting to come here and there's more investigating to be done. steve bannon was intimately invo

well, steve bannon is promising to become a criminal again tomorrow. but, he won't have donald trump to pardon him this time. in the last months of the trump presidency, steve pride and it was arrested in charge for criminal -- for the way that he embezzled money that he raised from pathetically gullible trump voters, who actually gave money to steve bannon. because steve bannon lied to them, and told them that he would use that money to privately build the wall on the southern border. that the president of the united states, donald trump, was not able to build. steve bannon would build it, if you just send him your money. steve bannon defrauded trump voters, got caught by the feds, was charged with those crimes, but didn't have to go to trial in federal court because donald trump pardoned him. pardon him for defrauding donald trump's own voters. steve bannon, has been subpoenaed by the special house committee investigating the attack on the capital, testifying tomorrow. he has already become the first person history, who is trying to hide behind presid

it is one thing if the courts compel steve bannon and the committee somehow compel steve bannon to either participate or be in trouble or be punished but getting someone to participate doesn't mean that you'll get all the records you want, the information that you want. what could come out of a former white house, a place where government records have been kept, could be much more substantial? >> of course, including not only before, number one, the commit wants to know what was -- how aware it was the former president of who was coming, what their plans were so what did he know on january 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th and lawmakers being rushed out of the capitol and the chambers themselves are under siege and what did the president do. who did he talk to? made a few phone calls to members of congress but a few key details what have trump was doing or not doing, there's still a lot of questions. >> a lot of questions, and if you look at the report that the committee put out last night detailing its efforts to get bannon to cooperate, you see just how extensive and how broad their requests are. n

no wonder steve bannon feels that he can go on with the grift. it's not donald trump's justice department anymore, it's the justice department that believes it serves the public interest, not the interest of the person of the president. and if steve bannon does not have that message, yet he is not paying attention. >> chairman adam schiff, thank you for starting us off tonight. i really appreciated. >> thank you. >> chairman schiff's new book is midnight in washington, it is how we almost lost our democracy, and still could. and coming up. the american medical association has filed an appears court brief in opposition to the new texas abortion law the attorney rule that brief, shannon zeldin, will join us next. n zeldin will join us next. will join us next. at vanguard, you're more than just an investor, you're an owner with access to financial advice, tools and a personalized plan that helps you build a future for those you love. vanguard. become an owner. this isn't just a walk up the stairs. vanguard. when you have an irregular heartbeat, it's