those steve bannon loyalists have made their way over to news next.r way over to oan and whatever the next fringe of the fringe of the fringe right-wing network is. i don't think it's going to impact fox news. we certainly have learned this week that they are all hypocrites. >> at a minimum. so, carlos, she is now in the fray for the ron desantis run i will. thank both of you. lucy, you've entered into the fray. we have things going with -- whether ron ron desantis it's going or not. >> gotta make a bet. get a cuban coffee -- and he's got at least as big an ego us on ultra. >> my thanks to the saturday morning power panel, lucy caldwell, former congressman, carlos curbelo. thank you so much. and as the race for 2024 kicks off, special counsel jack smith sets his sights on trump's lawyers, like rudy giuliani. are we closer to a trump indictment with this move? the answer, when we come back. we come back. ♪♪ inner voice (kombucha brewer): if i just stare at these payroll forms... my business' payroll taxes will calculate themselves. right? uhh...nope. i

and the arrest of chines billionaire, who bankrolle steve bannon >> so great. thank you. >> thank you >> love you. thank you. >> when all in starts righ now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. today, the fate of millions of americans women's reproductive health is once again in th hands of a far-right judge this morning, federal judg matthew -- of the northern district o texas, provided over a hearing in the small city of amarillo. a coalition of anti-abortion groups brought this case seeking to overturn the food and drug administration' approval of a medication commonly used in abortions this drug has been on th market for more than 20 years. it has been proven to be saf and effective. in fact, millions of women tak it every year. it is taken along with a secon medication to end pregnancy in the first trimester, which i the method used by more than half of all women who have abortions in this country. of course, this comes in the wake of the antiabortion movement success in overturnin the right to an abortion, an tried for decades in roe v wade so

steve bannon. has to say about ukraine. steve bannon . we've not seen much of bannon. the british media for a long time , but you are portrayed long time, but you are portrayed when they write about you. that's because the british the british media is dumb and lazy. if you read the guardian, at least the us. edition, you'll catch a lot of what we stand because we're at the tip of the spean because we're at the tip of the spear, populist nationalism spear, the populist nationalism movement. of course what movement. and of course what the tories the british tories stand for and the british politics a disaster right politics is a disaster right now. stand for now. the tories stand for absolutely nothing. they're going get as i've going to get smoked. as i've been saying, great smoked been saying, the great smoked when the election when the when the next election comes there'll be comes up and then there'll be some formation of true some reform formation of true british i think british politics, i think are more populist nationalist more of a populist nationalist mentality

mostly because it's the mega yacht trump strategist steve bannon was arrested on in 2020 bannon was arrested yacht for allegedly defrauding investors in his campaign that planned to crowd fund building on the mexican border. bannon himself got off thanks to a pardon from president trump. it turns out that boat, the yacht bannon was resting on, the lady may, that yacht itself was also allegedly bought with ill-gotten gains by this guy the owner of that yacht a fugitive chinese billionaire he was arrested this morning on charges that he also defrauded investors in his conservative business in addition to the yacht the justice department alleges he defrauded investors to buy a 60,000 square foot mansion, a $3.5 million ferrari and not one but two $36,000 mattresses because why not? why two. if you have been awake in the past eight years you know how influential steve bannon has become to the republican party part of the alleged fraud was convincing people to invest more than $450 politicalian in a media venture of his called gtv and then pocketing tons of that money himself. beyond the grift gt

you are likely to remember i mostly because it is the meg yacht that trump strategis steve bannon wasn was arrested on tha yacht for allegedly defrauding investors in his we build th wall campaign. the one that aimed to crow source the building of trump's wall on the mexican border finance business partners in that scheme involved eithe pleaded guilty or when convicted of siphoning hundred of thousands of dollars from that campaign. better himself got off thank to a pardon from president trump. now it turns out that the yach was -- that shot itself was als allegedly bought with il gotten gains by this guy the owner of that yacht, the fugitive chinese billionaire guo wengui he was arrested thi morning on charges that he als defrauded investors in his conservative business. in addition to the, of the justice department alleges tha guo used defrauded investors t buy a 50,000 square foot mansion, three and a hal million dollar ferrari and not one but two 36,000 dollar mattresses. because why not? by two if you have been awake in th last eight, years you know how influential steve bannon a

steve bannon. has to say about ukraine. steve bannon . we've not seen much of bannon.u in the british media for a long time , but you are portrayed long time, but you are portrayed when they write about you. that's because the british the british media is dumb and lazy. if you read the guardian, at least the us. edition, you'll catch a lot of what we stand because we're at the tip of the spean because we're at the tip of the spear, populist nationalism spear, the populist nationalism movement. course what the movement. and of course what the tories and the british tories stand for and the british politics disaster right tories stand for and the british politithe disaster right tories stand for and the british politithe toriesaster right tories stand for and the british politithe tories standight tories stand for and the british politithe tories stand for: now. the tories stand for absolutely nothing. they're going to get smoked. i've going to get smoked. as i've been the great smoked been saying, the great smoked when the election when the when the next election comes

and a one-time close ally of steve bannon. and what authorities have just revealed tonight. aaron katersky in new york. >>> this new cross-country storm moving east tonight. 18 states now on alert from california all the way to michigan. the midwest and south bracing for this. and then the northeast. rob marciano timing it out. >>> your money. and the growing concern tonight beyond u.s. banks. one of europe's largest banks and the stock price plunging to an all-time low. authorities here with the reality check tonight on the safety of your money. and erielle reshef on wall street. >>> the disturbing scene. seven sheriff's deputies arrested and charged with murder following an inmate's death in virginia. some punching him and using pepper spray. the deputies then allegedly holding him down for 12 minutes while handcuffed. pierre thomas reporting tonight. >>> all eyes on a texas judge this evening on the issue of abortion, and the decision that could effect women across the country on an abortion bill the fda says has been used safely for more than 20 years in this country. >>

>> i think he's exactly right, i mean i don't want to give steve bannon too much credit here.s right, this has been one of the issues with conservative media broadly in the donald trump era. just like the republican party, they don't understand their viewers like the republican party doesn't understand it's voters. and so basically, they're at their mercy. what you see here in the text messages and emails that we now know exist through discovery of the dominion case, is there frantically trying to figure out what their audience believes. because, the executives on the host, while most of them at, latest and the producers aren't maga people. there are not trump people, they're just using the trump base as part of their business model. and that's what's so interesting here about all of the revelations that we've seen over the last week or so. you start to realize that this isn't about journalism. it's not about telling people what is true. it's about telling them what they want to hear. and when a journalistic organization, or one that reports telling their audience, it's a real

all with well paid consultin help from steve bannon so guo and bannon are also the founders of the anti among other things was one of the official sponsors o cpac as in the conservative political action conference. so a lot of republican figures in the same boat tonight or votes the alleged financial crim vote turns out it is a lot bigger than we thought. it is kind of a mansion on the water. we have still more ahead tonight. including watching republicans stumble trying to define their newest four letter word, one that is spelled w o k e. plus first again for bush an medications. will covid vaccines be next? stay with us dupixent helps you du more with less asthma. and can help you breathe better in as little as 2 weeks. dupixent is an add-on treatment for specific types of moderate-to-severe asthma that's not for sudden breathing problems. dupixent can cause allergic reactions that can be severe. get help right away if you have rash, chest pain, worsening shortness of breath, tingling or numbness in your limbs. tell your doctor about new or worsening joint aches and pain, or a parasit

because of being in the alt—right and his connection to steve bannon, and steve bannon�*s connectionon. my aim in interviewing him, the first question i ask is, "you want a white ethnostate. "what is that? " "and why do you want it?" my aim was to be tough but to allow him to speak, but he quickly descended into a range of insults, and this thing ofjust telling me i'm not english, which... ijust kept telling him that's not your call, actually. that decision making process, it feels like a part of an ongoing debate of what the role of a journalist is and potentially it feels generational now that people, i hate to say, of our age, but olderjournalists tend to think along those lines and perhaps younger ones are saying you should not give these people a platform at all? there's a challenging balance, i think, because, and this was the very beginning of my media career, i was working for yorkshire television on a magazine programme called the world this week. and i was asked, because i was employed for my languages, to call front nationale to ask for an interview with jean—marie le pen

i noticed with steve bannon while steve bannon was being processed. the district attorney was holding a press conference. then the arraignment happened. and then the judge unsealed what the indictment was about. it was expedited, and that will probably happen with this president as well. brags office will probably not ask the judge to unseal the indictment until the arraignment happens. you should know that because it happened with you. my question is well, i know that they didn't because i never had that. okay. do you feel vindicated? no this isn't an issue of indication. i tried to explain that before i really it's called revenge. yes, but it's is it revenge by him or revenge on me how donald trump weaponized the united states department of justice against his critics, so it's a sort of a play on words. this isn't about vindication. this is about accountability. this is about the adage that no one is above the law. this is also about that. whatever laws that sent me to prison. supposed to be looked at in the eyes of the law. the same right lady just

i noticed with steve bannon while steve bannon was being processed. the district attorney was holding a press conference. then the arraignment happened. and then the judge unsealed what the indictment was about. it was expedited, and that will probably happen with this president as well. brags office will probably not ask the judge to unseal the indictment until the arraignment happens. you should know that because it happened with you. my question is well, i know that they didn't because i never had that. okay. do you feel vindicated? no this isn't an issue of indication. i tried to explain that before i really it's called revenge. yes but it's is it revenge by him or revenge on me. how donald trump weaponized the united states department of justice against his critics, so it's a sort of a play on words. this isn't about vindication. this is about accountability. this is about the adage that no one is above the law. this is also about that. whatever laws that sent me to prison. should send him to prison. we're all supposed to be looked at in the eyes

>> that's, of course, because steve bannon remains a trump supporter.antis, i guess at murdoch's direction. there's a fight here among the different kinds of liars and fraudsters, frankly, and you know, they're sniping at each other. fox -- well, it's most interesting, i think, from what i've read at the deposition is that fox is most concerned not about the truth, not about doing something specifically responsible to stop whipping people up which ultimately led to january 6th among many other wad bad things in our country, fox was the opposite. fox was worried someone would get more extreme than they and take viewers away from them. that began to happen after they called the election correctly, called arizona correctly on election night and proclaimed biden the winner, which was true, and so they would have worried that they weren't extreme enough. and that remains, i think -- i see no evidence that fox is changing its ways. is there a single piece of evidence that anyone at fox is more responsible than they were a year or two ago, the insurrection of

those working-class republicans. >> ron brownstein, thank you so very much. >> thank you. >>> steve bannon, a former adviser to donald trump slamming rupert murdoch and fox news for disrespecting the former president. in a fiery speech at cpac, bannon branded murdoch a bunch of foreigners and gave the fox corporation chairman this ultimatum. -- >> okay, murdoch this is the way it's going to be, you have disrespected donald j trump long enough, okay. they don't respect you, read the depositions, the deposition, they have a fear of loathing and contempt for you. the murdochs immediately have to start covering president trump. >> while those depositions, bennett was talking about a related 1.6 billion dollars defamation lawsuit brought by dominion voting systems, and that deposition which has recently made public, rupert murdoch conceded that some fox news hosts endorsed false claims that the 2020 election was stolen and he also admitted in hindsight that he would have liked the network to have been stronger in denouncing the former president's lies. a coalition of 60 democratic attorneys are

you are keeping -- steve bannon in the w room. you are keeping us going.hese politicians want us to thin that our problems are so big that it takes thousands -- hureds of thousands of dollars to solve them, it's not brain surgery. what if it were brain surgery we have a guide for that as well dr. ben carson he's on my team. where are you, dr. ben carson, thank you so much. we have the brightest sharpest people on our side. we have the ideas and solutio and that's what it's all about going forward we need to have these commonsense solutions to solve our problems. i know we have mr.orko in the card -- we have sebastian and the crowd, and he escaped to communism. he helped me unleash my inner self. i appreciate it. and my favorite journalist, and i worked in journalism. and people ask, who you follow in journalism because so much of it is fake andropaganda. and whenever they aske i say john solomon, just the news. thank you john, i don't know where you are but you are my go to for news. thank you, john. i love what you're doing thank you for keeping it honest

[applause] ♪ >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome host, steve bannon. [applause] ♪ >> thank you.nk you. thank you. i would like to report that there is a crisis coming with that is not the case. there is no longer a gathering storm. the storm is here. the storm is here. this is the most dangerous time in world history since the late, 1930's early 1940's. how do we get here? our betters, our elites let us hear step-by-step -- led us here, step-by-step. you have two converging crises. a crises of capital markets and economics and a crisis of geopolitical and military. they are converging rapidly and then they will conflate. once they conflate they will spin out of control. it's anybody's bet. remember, we came off of november of 2020, four years of peace and prosperity. [applause] the interest rate, the 10 year treasury, in the evening of november when fox news illegitimately called it for the opposition and not donald j. trump of which our nation has never recovered. of which it has never recovered. the interest rate is 0.8%. today, for the first time in god knows when, the entire

and i do think the steve bannon one is applicable because steve bannon went as you know, ellie would he's emerged from the courthouse did like a triumphs it he really owned that stone to similar. obviously, he's thinking of that. and let me say this. the nature of these charges, which is, i think questionable in terms of severity really does lend itself to this sort of performative action because it's one thing to strut around and make a scene if he chooses to go that way, i'm dubious. daniels charges the fact that it has to do with the false falsification of paperwork relating to a an affair and alleged affair that's now about 15 years old. the paperwork goes back about seven years. it's one thing to parade around and try to make yourself a martyr off of that. i think it may have some resonance, however. what if he's charged if an event eventually comes to pass with january? 6th you're not going to have the same kind of audience in the same kind of reaction if you try to make a scene and turned it into a show, this one in new york is far easier to trivialize going to jail. he gets c

and steve bannon's connection to trump, i thought there was a legitimate reason.ion i asked was why do you want that aim. my aim was to be tough but to allow him to speak, he quickly descended into a range of insults, and this thing ofjust telling me i'm not english, which... ijust kept telling him that is not your call, actually. him that is not your call, actually-— him that is not your call, actuall . ., . , ., .,~ actually. that decision making trocess, actually. that decision making process. it _ actually. that decision making process, it feels _ actually. that decision making process, it feels like - actually. that decision making process, it feels like a - actually. that decision making process, it feels like a part i process, it feels like a part of debate of what the role of a journalist is and it feels generational now that people, hate to say, our age, but older journalists tend to think along the lines of perhaps younger ones are saying you should not give these people a platform at all? , ., . ., all? there is a challenging balance i _ all? there is a

former white house chief strategist steve bannon spoke at this year's political strategist conference in maryland during his remarks he highlighted successes of the trump administration. this is 15 minutes. >> ladies and gentlemen please welcome host of war room, c-span. >> thank you. i would like to report we were just in a crisis or there's a crisis coming but that's not the case. there is no longer a gathering storm, the storm is here. the storm is here. this is the most dangerous time in world history since the late 1930's. early 1940's. how did we get here? our betters, our our elites let us here step-by-step. what you have now is two converging crises. a crises of capital markets and economics, and a crisis of geopolitical and military. the converging rapidly and then they will conflate and once they do, they are going to spin out of control. it is anybody's bet, remember we came off of a 11/3/2020 four years of peace and prosperity. prosperity. [applause] the interest [applause] the interest rate in the evening of november, fox news illegitimately called it for the opposition a

people trying to take pictures with steve bannon, matt gates, marjorie taylor green. today it does look as though they are going to fill this ballroom. there are already almost more seats that have been filled the entire time here. we know there's a pre-reception with hundreds of people in it that will be coming here later. they are expected to fill all of the seats here today which, as you said, is very important to the former president. it would be embarrassing given the way that this has become trump centered if he wasn't able to fill their seats and if he doesn't win that straw poll that they're expecting to announce soon. >> all right. kristin holmes, thank you very much. >>> sources tell cnn donald trump is trying to keep his former vice president mike pence before testifying before a federal grand jury looking into january 6th and the efforts to overturn the 2020 loss. trump is asking a federal court to block pence's testimony. jeremy herb joins us now. jeremy, we've seen this approach tried before. what are you learning? does this little wrench into the depart

. >> former white house chief strategist steve bannon spoke the the conservative political action conference in maryland. during his remarks he highlighted what he considered to be successings of the trump administration. this is 15 minutes. >> ladies and gentlemen, please welcome host of war room c-span. [cheering] ♪ ♪ thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. [applause] i would like to be able to report that we're just to crisis or there's a crisis coming but that's not the case. there's no longer a gathering storm. thee storm is here. [applause] the storm is here. this is the most dangerous time in world history since the late 1930s. early 1940s. and how do we get here? our betters, elites led us here step by step by step. what you have now is you have two converging crises, a crises of capital markets in economics and a crisis of geopolitical and military and converging rapidly and they're going conflate and once they conflate, they're going spin out of control. and it's anybody's bet now remember -- we came off of on three november of 2020. four years of peace and prosperity -- [appla

it was steve bannon. you got smart appealing to modern republicans.u would have done that. >> so, the clip ends with her saying that she gets -- she says, how old are you? tim says, 41. she says, well you just look at 13-year-old. now, she calls steve bannon a stud muffin. that fashionista steve. >> high minded stuff. really, it is a great counter arguments. from carey like >> one and outs, it is fake news. it's truly dresses like a 13-year-old. >> who side are you on? >> i like his choices. edelman was also accused of being a fashionista, margaret random. >> thank you very much bring this that clip, stick around everyone, chris rock is now talking about that will smith slap in the middle of the oscars. and we are going to tell you what he saying, next. >> words hurt. that's what they say. gotta watch what you say because words hurts. you know anybody that says words hurt has never been punched in the face. what's the #1 retinol brand used most by dermatologists? it's neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair® smooths the look of fine lines in 1-ek, deep wrink

>> kari lake at the ronald reagan dinner, and lauren boebert. >> always steve bannon.brilliant, my favorite information person. >> i'm really excited to see senator cruz. >> most excited to see ben carson. >> i'm pretty excited about seeing donald trump jr., but this weekend i'm really excited to actually see donald trump. >> the conservative political action conference known as cpa has for decades been one of the biggest conservative gatherings in u.s. politics. and this year it is incredibly trump centric and it shows what a strange position the republican party finds itself in ahead of the 2024 presidential election. >> i am a trump supporter because he's a warrior. he's the only one that can pull this through. >> reporter: was there anyone you were disappointed that wasn't going to be speaking here this week? >> my understanding is governor desantis is not coming. that was disappointing. he was one of the bright spots for the republican party during the midterms, not only won reelection, he won big, beating a former governor. >> reporter: while trump may be the mai

you have bart romo's interview with steve bannon. that's traditional evidence. then you have things like email from rupert murdoch to suzanne scott regarding steve bannon. i'm curious what you think as we make sense of all this of what these dominion lawyers have been able to demand they've clearly drawn some blood. haven't won the case yet. defamation cases are hard to win. but renato when you see the lawyers and what we're combing through, they say, here's the public story. you gave ban nonair time, and he by the way is now convicted for defying congress and facing other trials. so that's who he is legally. here's the public thing everyone can watch. and now, oh, here's a high level email that but for this case we would never see from murdoch to the fox chief. what are they going after when they get into this stuff? >> i think what they're trying to show is fox ultimately was on the republicans' team and on the trump team. that's really -- and i know that he's going to talk about this in a minute, but when i was pooring through this, just minutes before this -

here's the exchange between host maria bartiromo and former trump advisor, steve bannon, a few days after the election was called in november 2020. i want to see massive fraud exposed. will he be able to turn this around? i told my team we are not allowed to say president elect at all. not in scripts or in banners or on air. until this moves through the courts. bannon, 71 million voters will never accept biden. this process is to destroy his presidency before it starts. if it even starts. bartiromo, but i'm sad and scared. bannon, you are our fighter, enough with the said. we need you. bartiromo, okay. that is fox news to host, maria bartiromo, applauding with one of the most influential strategist in the republican party, about how to delegitimized the rightfully elected president of the united states. at one point, bannon even tells, he wants bartiromo to run for senate against chuck schumer, all as part of some big republican strategy to win back control of the u.s. government. it is all very, very well stuff. the wildest part of what we learned from yesterday's release of evidence, th

he was involved in the prosecution of trump adviser steve bannon, and trump organization financial head allen weisselberg. he's been a federal prosecutor and a deputy attorney of new york state. now, as we talk about trump, this is a local prosecution. the d.a. ran as a democrat for the position, but this is not attached to the department of justice investigations or washington at all. those investigations are run by a separate special counsel. so bottom line, nobody in washington is directing this new york case or the georgia case. and in the federal case, nobody but the special counsel is running that case. there's nothing stopping someone who is charged from running for president, though back in 2016 when trump ran against hillary clinton, he repeatedly warned american voters a candidate under criminal investigation would be far too busy fending off charges to run the country, to quote donald trump, if she were to win, it would cause a constitutional crisis. it would be impossible for her to govern. >> so this is the first charge against trump, but in his inner circle there have been

he is a lawyer himself he's also been representin rudy giuliani, steve bannon in the past he's very much in trump world. he knows trump world he knows how it works, he know how it operates and he's going to be in a position tomorrow when he appears before tha grand jury to discredit michae cohen, that's what he will b doing. he's been brought by the trump attorneys, we are told apparently the trump attorneys asked alvin bragg to bring costello, alvin bragg must hav said yes, and costello is no coming in. cohen made news on last hour with alex smith was that he is going to be rebutting what costello said. there is a significant process here here's what cohen had to say t alex earlier this afternoon. >> i did receive a whole sle of phone calls from journalist asking me if i'm going to be back to the da's offic tomorrow as a rebuttal witness to whoever it is that they ar bringing their tomorrow, weather before the grand jur or just to meet with them fo an interview again, i'm not sure but, yes, was asked to make myself available and to be at the da' office tomorrow as a rebutta witness. >>

he represents rudy giuliani, he represents steve bannon. experience, as a reporter, he has never steered me wrong. but, he has come under scrutiny for some of his decisions and in other investigations. but ultimately, it's up to the grand jury. it's interesting they could have called michael cohen to rebut his testimony and they didn't. will this be enough to change the grand jury's mind? unlikely, but it certainly made for an interesting day at court. >> this is truly everyone is watching and waiting. and you're covering it. thank you, paula reid. appreciate it kaitlan? >> how did we get here given this is something that has been reported for years now. so for more on this i want to bring in an investigative reporter at "the new york times," was a member of the pulitzer prize winning team at "the wall street journal" that revealed the hush money deals involving trump and the co-author of the book "the fixers, the bottom feeders, crooked and porn stars who created the 45th president" quite a title there. but you have been -- you were on the

but behind the scenes what she is saying is steve bannon just a few days before is her despair. not the idea that don trump has lost. so you are not seeing anyone stepping up, whether it's those who seem to believe honestly, as you pointed out, there was fraud committed on maria bartiromo, or those who understand that there was none and their primetime lot lineup nobody is stepping up to serve yours may not want to hear this. but we need presented all the same. >> katie, there's a legal theory here this interesting. it's rare, in these cases. someone says something about you that you don't like, used to them for defamation, right? the standard is called actual malice. we can get into why that is and what that is. but here a lot of times is like well, the person really thinks you're this nasty person or they made a mistake and said something about you that was an error in fact that they just got wrong. here it's the evidence of knowing behind the scenes all of this stuff and how nuts sydney powell is. this really stands out to me. this is an exchange between tucker carlson enron

steve bannon saying, the other candidates are fine, but we don't have time for on the job training. but i want to say something else with president biden. this week, the senate will have a vote on that d.c. crime bill that he has said, he's not going to veto this republican-led effort to overturn it. even though he's said that d.c. should have its own statehood, it should be self-governing. he caused a lot of controversy by saying that he's going to sign this and do that, as given what we've seen happening in chicago and other places. what do you make of that? >> i think it is a reaction to the national politics of the moment, right? we saw that crime was a concern. and this is not just for republican voters. this is for democratic voters, too. in democratic cities. and that is what mayor eric adams was getting at. you can't put your head in the sand on this. so even though he supported local control, he knows that this is an opportunity where the gop can come back later and say, you reduced -- you supported reducing, you know, the maximum sentence for carjackings at a time when, yo

he's represented people like steve bannon, rudy giuliani. make judgments about that as they well. what could you tell us about him, wha t kind of lawyer he is, his character? >> well, i think we need to be careful about equating a lawyer with -- whether it's a good thing, or bad thing. so, robert costello four starters is a former assistant u.s. attorney. in the southern district of new york. warm also part of that. office he has an excellent reputation. he did as a prosecutor. he did as a defense. lawyer he's honorable, of the lawyer. and i have no doubt, zero, but i want to say double negative but he wouldn't lie under oath. >> oh. ahead >> whatever he brings to the table, i don't think he has an agenda other than to tell the truth. >> this is significant, because obviously a lot can be resting on him, he did come out after his three hours at the grand jury and spoke to -- he said he was frustrated with the experience. he said that he had wanted to talk about 300 emails that he had exchange with michael cohen. and he thought they were very

, and the department of justice went to court and prosecuted steve bannon for not complying and not -hat subpoena, and he was sentenced to four months in federal prison. he is going through the appeals process right now. for any of these individuals if they were to choose not to go before this grand jury, you should expect the department of justice to take that seriously. >> they've made that clear. so matt, mike pence was asked about his plans for 2024 and his decision. here's what he said. >> sometime about the spring or early summer, that decision has to be made, and we're on that timetable. i expect we won't get out of spring without karen and i having a clear sense of our calling. >> so he went from in previous times he was asked this question from spring to now maybe summer. look, we've talked about on this show whether or not whatever happens to donald trump, how those investigations play out, if they might have people waiting to see, but is there a lesson from, say, chris christie, barack obama, about the power of being decisive? >> i would say less about being decisive and ma

stella previously represente steve bannon and rudy giuliani costello says the trump's lega team asked him to testify. the manhattan da has decline to comment, the office i already preparing for unrest making sure staff, after trump 's call for protests, and an internal email obtained by nbc the district attorney writin quote, please know that your safety is our top priority we do not tolerate attempts to intimidate our office, o threaten the rule of law new york federal authorities are also o alert to specially as trum repeats the rhetoric he used t incite the capitol riots >> are always monitoring the situation here as best we can. we don't want to see any activity grow violent, certainly nothing to the exten that we saw on january six >> here's the thing, we stil don't know whether trump's gonna be arrested on tuesday a claim he made without an clear evidence for now, republicans are standing by their man. former vice president pence to leading the defense. >> it just feels like politically-charged prosecutio here and from our part, i feel that that's not what the american people wa

he has represented people like steve bannon, rudy giuliani, some people will make judgments about thatl. what can you tell us about him, what kind of a lawyer he is, his character? >> well, i think we have to be careful about equating a lawyer with his clients, whether that's a good thing or a bad thing. so robert costello for starters is a former assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york where i'm also an alumni of that office. he has an excellent reputation. he did as a prosecutor, he does as a defense lawyer. he's honorable. he's a good lawyer, and i have no doubt, zero, that he would -- i don't want to say a double negative. he would not lie under oath. >> yeah, go ahead. >> so whatever he brings to the table, i don't think he has an agenda other than to tell the truth. >> this is significant because obviously a lot could be resting on him, and you know, he did come out after his three hours in front of the fwrgrand jury a spoke to the press. he said he was frustrated with the experience. he said he had wanted to talk about 300 emails he had exchanged with michae

schlapp: steve bannon's office? rep. jordan: maybe it was.sted every single promise that president trump had made. mr. schlapp: the problem was it was a really long list. rep. jordan: and was, but they were checking it off. cutting taxes, reducing relations, any out of the climate accords, the iran deal, he just went down the list. build the wall. that, that is how you're supposed to do that, in spite of everything they did to him, they got things done because he focused on doing what he said he would do, and sticking to the constitution and doing the way -- to rethink the way you're supposed to. that is the attitude we have in the house, and that is the attitude we have to bring to bear. if we don't have that attitude, as mean and tough as the left is, we will not make it. we have to take on the left and what they're doing. mr. schlapp: one final question, because we are over time. nicu controlled the time, you're pretty rigid, you may people talk fast. this whole idea of big tech, censoring a shadow manning, i know it is a legal argument, b

federal prosecutors are investigating a crypto currency that is linked to former trump advisor steve bannon. it follows an abc news investigation into allegations of mismanagement. the crypto has lost 95% of its value to a long fight for justice. a man behind bars for decades in ohio and sent to death row is getting a new trial after major questions were raised about the evidence against him. abc is andrew fuji explains. this morning as cincinnati death row inmate who's claimed his innocence for decades is getting a new chance at freedom. sorry for the family , but i'm a victim as well. and my life has been tooken 70 year old elwood jones was sentenced to death for the 1994 murder of rhoda nathan, who was found beaten to death inside a cincinnati hotel room. but a judge recently overturned jones's conviction ordering a new trial after finding the prosecution withheld evidence, including eyewitness accounts of other potential suspects. justice for rhoda nathan doesn't mean convicting and trying to execute somebody who didn't kill her. the prosecutor rinses her office did nothing wrong, sayin

oh, it's steve bannon, his world plan of domination is going perfect.e house, and now he is interviewing this guy. oh, my god, it is former trump adviser sebastian gorka, love the used tissue pocket square. do you have firsthand knowledge of the immigration after your pubic region migrated to your face. they said when it show, but here he is. ron desantis! what is your plan for public security? wow coming his way more charismatic and person. matt gaetz is here, i guess they are carting, he did not bring a date. matt, you dropped your prom-postal sign. it's really special, and i had enough mingling with the conservative stars, and was trying to meet with the regular folk, they drive insane so they can become stars paired what organization are you here with customer >> with retired principal. i am just here by myself. >> they are flooding the libraries with woke books and we have a few with us. have you seen "where's waldo's estrogen patch?" >> i don't know, they do not have those types of books when i was a kid. i would not allow that type of book, no. >