and steve bannon, i'm sure, is not happy about that at all. >> yeah., has been steadfast, spent time on himself in the white house. >> so i could imagine elon musk, the new steve bannon. and that's you know, and that doesn't sit well with the old steve bannon i can imagine, especially when the old steve bannon is very much still here, very much still here, and very much has a constituency. >> this podcast is very popular. and so he's going to make trouble for the tech side of the trump coalition. >> yeah, absolutely. >> so while that schism is happening, we're also watching the administration start to form in its early phases up on capitol hill. confirmation hearing week kicking off with pete hegseth in the spotlight, i wonder your early thoughts about what we are likely to see today. it's going to be explosive. >> yeah, it's going to be explosive. first, there are the allegations against hegseth of sexual impropriety. there are questions about his experience, obviously, and whether he is remotely capable of running the defense department, one of the b

it's one that pits elon musk against steve bannon. >> it started with a christmas day post by musk onorm saying that the united states needs to quickly let in more foreign workers, specifically highly-educated engineers to work for american tech companies. musk hit back on his pro-trump critics with a series of profanity-laced posts saying, quote, "i will go to war on this issue, the likes of which you cannot possibly comprehend." that outburst prompted steve bannon to hit back at musk, saying, "someone please notify child protective services. need to do a wellness check on this toddler." >> quote, "i will have elon musk run out of here by inauguration day. he will not have a blue pass to the white house.ve full access the white house. he'll be like any other person. he is a truly evil guy, a very bad guy. i made it my personal thing to take this guy down." >> seth: you know, i'm really trying my best to find joy wherever i can amidst the darkness of a trump presidency, so, let me just say, i'm really [ bleep ] enjoying this. i mean -- [ laughter ] elon musk and steve bannon fighting

bernie sanders and steve bannon agree on getting rid of h1b visas.bling these alliances. do you? >> slightly. the far right, the populist light, has always been somewhat skeptical of corporate power, as has the left and liberals and centrist. but yet what you have under trump is trump bringing in these people on culture war issues, talking about the border and crime and trans issues. this is part of the 687 strategy. focus on culture war issues. do not let particularly working class voters see the democrats as doing anything for them. so, when joe biden and barack obama provide broadband to rural areas, you know, you and i don't need it living in the washington, d.c. area. but they provide broadband to places like west virginia and idaho. and the people there benefit from it. and what do they do? they either watch fox news on broadband and think the people who are doing this are elitist who they should be voting against. it's not just that this is a government of billionaires, it's a government for billionaires. and that's what we're going to see --

a fundamental rupture in the coalition for the coalition to survive, they need the nationalist steve bannonimmigrant, anti-trade america first, if you will. >> that's sort of the bannon lane. >> and then you have musk, who is really a globalist at his core, but has kind of brought in these tech bros that were, you know, radicalized by covid or whatever they might be. >> they might be quote unquote, anti-woke, but they're not, like meaningfully maga across all these policy issues. >> and musk, in his case in particular, like, does business in china and is on the take from china, which again, is fundamentally at odds with kind of the america first crowd that does not believe that the u.s. should be doing friendly business with china or doing friendly business with the world, that we should be decoupling from china. so here we have this fundamental fissure with the musk world. and now he's got vivek with him and some other people and bannon. and they are going to like this fight is not just about personalities. like as policy gets implemented in the next trump administration, this will be a yo

so, who is the steve bannon in this administration that's going to have trump's ear? >> i think it's a very different structure, i think that suzie is a safe pair of hands, susie wiles and i hired her in the '16 campaign against the recommendation of president trump at the time. she's fantastic. we would not have won florida if not for susie wiles. she has a safe pair of hands and a different white house staff and going forward than the contentious in the open fighting that we had, but there were all for good reasons, there were different policies. i'm not so sure-- and when you say steve bannon, president trump has been his own strategist. if you look at the way he managed his coalition, the way he put it together, the sweep how he managed in the transition and how he'll manage it going forward, president trump is a deal guy and he understands how to, i think, juggle opposing views and quite frankly, strong personalities. so, one thing i will note that many of the strongest personalities in president trump's orbit are not going into the white house, cory lewandowski,

former trump staff member steve bannon got into an argument with elon musk that prompted musk to call people like bannon unrepentant racists. musk seemed surprised to discover that there were any racists supporting donald trump. remember the outrage in both the news media and trump world eight years ago when candidate for president hillary clinton referred to some trump supporters deplorables. the racist, sexist, homophobic, islamophobic, you name it. donald trump pretended to be deeply offended at hillary clinton's accurate description of some trump supporters. when the richest person trump has ever met. that we should admit more skilled immigrants into this country, even to take jobs that americans are eager to do. i expect severe buyer's regret fairly early in the second trump administration. after all, many americans did so because they believe he would bring down grocery prices. he stopped talking about the subject as soon as the election was over. sooner or later, voters were going to notice. i did not, however, expect a maga civil war weeks before trump had even taken office. e

it would be no better place than to announce what did you some of which is a joint venture with steve bannonservative films back into the ecosystem. government gangsters the movie is the first one end is coming out in the spring just a couple months. we are very excited about that. here's the thing. eight years ago the deep state was real. when donald trump came down the escalator in 2015 in trump tower the deep state was already moving at 100 miles an hour. the deep state projected on us we were the neocons, the conspiracy there is because we dare to call them the deep state. state. when we fast-forward eight years later they have multiplied. they have put their army on the ground in government agencies and departments from the dod o the fbi to the doj. they have weaponized justice. they have politicize the intelligence community. they have sees our department of defense from the men and women who have the audacity to serve and where the cloth of this country and they have tarnished the reputation. they have led to disasters in afghanistan, in ukraine, initial and elsewhere but they blame u

former trump staffmember steve bannon got in a public argument on twitter with the owner of twitter, elon musk, that provoked musk to call trump supporters like bannon, quote, unrepentant racists. musk seemed surprised to discover that there were any racists supporting donald trump. remember the outrage in both the news media and trump world eight years ago when candidate for president, hillary clinton, referred to some trump supporters as, quote, deplorables, the racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it. donald trump pretended to be deeply offended at hillary clinton's accurate description of some trump supporters. when the richest person donald trump has ever met, who also happens to be the richest person in the world, calls trump voters unrepentant racists, donald trump, of course, sided with the rich guy against his own supporters. donald trump decided to publicly agree with elon musk. that we should admit more skilled immigrants into this country, even to take jobs that americans are eager to do. nobel prize-winning economist paul krugman writes in his s

then he have steve bannon, the nativist majority within maga who want to cut off all immigration to theountry. we have people like my friend, speaker johnson, who sponsored the life begins at conception act. who has been advancing the idea of banning abortion imaginary which was enabled by the supreme court's decision overruling roe v. wade then you have others, which i would include donald trump and this, who don't really care about abortion and are doing everything they can to run away from the issue, even though he was bragging about having a point of the justices who did overturn a woman's right to choose. so i think that they have the slender rest of majorities. and on any particular issue, huge divisions going on with their coalition. and we will do whatever we can to work with people. jim jordan is my counterpart on judiciary, we sponsored legislation together called the press act that i am very proud of and i hope he is still part of it. which protects the rates of reporters not to have compulsory production of their confidential sources and their notes and documents. that passe

that's not true of steve bannon.ven by fear, which miller and bannon are? and these are two clearly damaged individuals who or sort of using public policy to work out personal issues. or do you believe that we have an optimistic vision of america? i go book to ronald reagan's last speech. say what you will about ronald reagan. it was an old what it meant to be an american, how anybody could come here to be an american. and if we lose that ethos, we really have lost, i think, a lot of what it means to be an american. >> well said. gentlemen, thank you for your contributions today. zeke hernandez and stewart stevens. before we go, starting tomorrow morning my friend and co-founder of the singular alley v club, ali vitali sits down in the anchor chair for the first time as the new host of "way too early." she is bringing a wide range of political expertise. if you usually wake up that early or if you are awake from the night before, join ali vitali for way too early every morning at 5:00 eastern. be there. >>> that's it

newby to this organization, i'm learning about all the things politico can do, including this steve bannon avatar beaming from the war room. very futuristic, steve was going to join us in person and had some airplane issues, maybe, steve, you want to take up with the outgoing transportation secretary. [laughter] >> thank you, steve, for being here. we appreciate it. >> thanks and thanks for politico for having me. >> let's start with some of the headlines this you've been making recently. there's a new voice in president trump's ear, elon musk. you're not happy about it. is trump to close to musk? >> it's not that i'm not happy about it-- elon musk, i think i'm the one that built a narrative and he came in in basically the spring and early summer and most importantly, he backed our play, this is going to be a maga plus election. you know, a base plus the dissident moms at the school boards and people have been trying to moderate president trump hean on the campaign trail. number one, elon musk came in and totally backed kind of the populist maga play and $250 million worth of checks to put

thought it would be no better place to announce what you just saw which is a joint venture with steve bannon to launch conservative films back into the ecosystem so government gangsters the movie is the first one and it's coming out in the spring just in a couple months so we are excited about that but here's the thing, eight years ago the state was real . when donald trump came down the escalator in 2015 in trump tower the deep state was already moving out 100 mph but they projected on us that we were the neocons, we were the conservative tconspiracy theorist becausewe call them the deep state and when we fast-forward they have multiplied . they have put their army on the ground in government agencies and departments from j the dod to the fbi to the doj. they have weapon eyes to justice . they have politicized the intelligence community. they have seized our department of defense from the men and women who have the audacity to where the cloth of this country and tarnish their reputation and led to disasters in afghanistan, ukraine, israel and elsewhere but they blame us and one of the weigh

. >> but this is where you were seeing steve bannon come out and say, i want to text the wealthy. this is the new agenda, the full populist agenda. he talked explicitly about the fact that there was the killing of the healthcare executive. he thinks that donald trump needs to respond to this and i think you will see a huge clash right away between traditional republicans and the sort of steve bannon pressure. >> donald trump has spent the last five weeks in all his glory, right, he has been lathered up at mar-a-lago, his favorite place on earth, in a 24 karat bathtub surrounded by super wealthy people kissing his ring. and look at the people he is appointing. the number two guy in treasury is a huge tax lobbyist who last worked for microsoft and cruise lines and knows full well how corporations can avoid paying taxes but is not focused on collecting them. >> they just cut $25 billion from that budget. >> today may have looked calm and orderly but it can't hold and it can't last. these factions exist. >> today president biden announced that he is blocking japan's nippon steel from

steve bannon couldn't govern. they're great when they're in the opposition. i expect two years of utter chaos. >> give them a chance. >> give them a chance. >> all right i got to go to this. okay. so just five days ago, right. president, president elect trump declared, quote, the extension of the debt ceiling by a previous speaker of the house, a good man and a friend of mine will go down as one of the dumbest political decisions made in years. and drumroll, here he is tonight, spending quality time with that former speaker kevin mccarthy at mar-a-lago. trump has this remarkable ability to just shred you and then see you come calling like nothing happened. is this in mike johnson's future? >> i hope not, but i think there's definitely going to be some disagreements that percolate. we just saw it with the cr, right? i think obviously elon musk put the president, backed him into a corner a bit on that. but that's going to happen again until they figure out a way to work together. i think a lot of these problems started with the kevin mccarthy fiasco. and anothe

. >> but you're seeing steve bannon saying tax the wealthy, this is my new agenda, full populist agenda. because he sees, he talks explicitly about the fact there was the killing of the health care executive. he thinks that's huge for the american public and that donald trump needs to respond to this. and i think you're going to see a huge clash right away between the rtraditional republicans a steve bannon pressure. >> okay, but donald trump has spent the last five weeks, not saying this in a negative way, in nall his glory. right? he's lathered up at mar-a-lago, his favorite place on earth, 24 karat bathtub, surrounded by super wealthy people kissing his ring. and number two guy in treasury overseeing tax policy is a huge tax lobbyist who worked for microsoft and cruise lines and knows full well how corporations can avoid paying taxes but is not focused on the irs collecting them. that bannon agenda and maga universe -- >> they just cut $25 million from the irs budget. >> today looked calm and orderly but it can't last because the factions exist. >>> new topic, the current president,

if he says let's cap interest card fees 10% he campaigned on i would spur that if he does what steve bannonaid make sure billionaires pay more taxes in this you can you be i would support that billionaires were paying 20% effective tax today paying 30 to 35 administrators in 90s when we had 3.5 percent economic growth if he says i want to invest in manufacturing i would support that, i may support some issues on tariffs, on strategic products coming from china. but if you are just going to say i want tax cuts for the wealth, and taxi breaks i can't support that. >> hold on our california lawmaker do you want the settle a deduction cap lifted? >> i the salt deduction cap lists? >> i do i think it should be lifted to amount that covers, working in middle class families, but that is one issue, about a i rather focus on is giving americans working middle class a raise, raise minimum wage, focus on investments in this country in manufacturing but do i support the proposal i am not going to vote for it if it means giving more tax breaks to billionaires and corporations, many whom outsourced their

take the maga civil war between first bro elon musk and steve bannon.k has gotten ire from bannon and laura loomer for his support of h-1b visas. even after donald trump took musk's side in the feud, bannon had this to say. >> don't come up and go to the pulpit and your first week here and start lecturing people about the way things are going to be. if you do that, we are going to get and rip your face off. because you can't beat us. >> you can't beat us. don't get fly up here. then there is the drama in the house. house speaker johnson barely managed to win re-election with one republican defecting congressman thomas massie and already johnson has the far right house freedom caucus breathing down his neck. they wrote that he has to prove he will not fail to enact president trump's bold agenda. johnson already has a slim house majority to deal with. if he didn't please the hard right liners like, well, we know how that resulted for kevin mccarthy. and so here we are. once again with one party in full control of government, or at least about to be. it's

the enemy of my enemy is my friend, unless it's steve bannon. [ laughter ] that's right. old an italian newspaper that he would have elon musk, quote, run out of the maga movement by inauguration day. oh, he runs out on his own, said his kids. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] the supreme court is set to hear challenges this week to the constitutionality of state laws restricting access to pornographic websites. it's the first court case where witnesses will not raise their right hand. [ laughter ] i don't think i can make it through a testimony without doing it. according to a new poll, former new york governor andrew cuomo leads mayor eric adams and other democratic candidates in a prospective mayoral primary. here's how the numbers break down. [ laughter ] google confirmed last week that it has donated $1 million to president-elect trump's inaugural fund. and this is nice, bing ponied up $50. [ laughter ] according to a new survey of tourists, new york is the least friendly state in the country. though i do have to ask, did those tourists ever consider getting out of

take a listen. >> this might be the only time i agree with steve bannon. he has questioned elon musk's influence and his connection with the foreign leaders. musk has conversations with chinese presidents, with the russian president, and he has an enormous amount of influence. i guess that is what comes with being the richest man in the world. >> do you agree with that? is, in fact, elon musk, or should he be seen as a national security risk? >> absolutely should be. i mean, it has been laid out. it does not matter, americans deciding they will stand up and say something, right? we know when it comes to maga and trump, they believe they have a mandate, but exactly what it is, i do not know because he has made it clear he is like him i do not know if i can really get the cost of food down. well, i can tell you his face needs to be loud about the fact that they want to be's faith in this country and i need people to not take it for granted that we do have oceans on the east and the west coast of us that are actually helpful to us. it is water that helps us,

it i was time to decide and the president called meo and steve bannon into the oval office and had the whole cabinet there. whole cabinet and called us his heavies and said, all right, my heavies, you tell these guys why we have to kill the iran deal. we told them. he knew why, but we told them and then he killed it. that was my proudest moment. god bless you all and merry christmas. [ cheering ] >> wow, what an honor to follow seb and be here in phoenix with you and give you a 90 minute talk about how we can make money great again in america. five -- you already know this, but the fed knows it too. fed chairman powell says we're onfe the unsustainable fiscal path. you know what, i wrote a book called pirate money. i wrote it a year and a half ago. we have $32 trillion in debt, $36 trail now and $4 trillion added in the last year and a half. that's unsustainable. the other nations, the britt nations want to destroy the american dollar. can we blame them. elon musk said if we weaponize our currency enough times, other countries will stop using it. number 3. we have inflation. and inflat

so that steve bannon agenda and that maga universe -- >> they just cut $25 billion from the irs budget. >> but this is why we're saying today may have looked kind of calm and orderly, but that can't hold, it can't last because these factions exist. >>> all right, we have a new topping. today president biden, the current president announced he's blocking japan's nippon steel from taking over u.s. steel. now, a lot of people have views on this jason furman, former obama economic advisor, put out a tweet that was really surprising to me. super smart guy on all things economic, but a far more aggressive statement than you hear from a jason furman. he called it pathetic and a craven cave to special interests that will make america less prosperous and safe. he said i'm sorry to see him, meaning joe biden, betraying our allies while abusing the law. what do you think about this? >> i'm very surprised at the verbiage here. i know jason and he doesn't usually speak like that. >> that's what took me. >> i agree with him to a certain extent substantively we're trying to bring them closer to the u

steve bannon has largely been orchestrating. kind of watch the dance between him and elon musk right now, which has been going on for quite some time. because steve, you know, game recognizes game baby, right. he knows he knows exactly what elon was up to. he's like wait a minute. you try to you're going to move in on my turf. you're going to move on on my ground. that's why he's suddenly such an evil person. now, if he just stayed in his lane and just, you know, continue to use his money and authority that he has to benefit donald trump while all the other, you know, players got to do their thing, that's a different story. but yeah, these three pieces do connect in a way that i think is very telling about how this incoming second term for trump is likely to play out. it's not just the bending of the knee by bezos and musk and others, and it's about what they do once they bend the knee. and that's the part that comes next. >> yeah, i think that's well put. and the difference between journalism, which has plenty of criticism and

and steve bannon was coming out today saying, i will get elon musk kicked out by the time he's inauguratedhe called him truly evil. he downplayed the relationship. he said, of course you get a seat at the table when you you give this much money. he said, but i always argued it can't be the head of the table. >> yeah, well, look, first of all, what would it be? a republican party without some internal battles right now, particularly that up, particularly even a couple of days before we even start the inauguration. right. but look, you know, these these type of fights are going to happen. trump could stop it. he doesn't. why? he likes to see a lot of these squabbles. and then he likes to see who's going to win and who's not. and then sort of pick a side. i think one of the things that's interesting is trump is a much more transactional politician. he is not somebody who is sort of moored to an ideological viewpoint. so seeing these fights play out sort of helps him gauge which way the direction is going. they want to be around the cool kids, you know, it's like high school. everybody's like

we will also hear from former trump advisor steve bannon. watch live starting at 8:30 a.m. eastern on c-span 2, c-span now, or online at c-span.org. >> witness democracy unfiltered with c-span. experience history as it unfolds with c-span's live coverage as republicans take control of both chambers of congress at a new chapter begins with the swearing in of the 47th president. tune in for our live coverage of the inauguration as donald trump takes the oath of office, becoming president. stay with c-span this month for comprehensive, live, unfiltered coverage of the 119th congress and presidential inauguration. c-span, democracy unfiltered. every monday when congress is in session we'd like to take a look ahead in washington. we are joined by the senior congressional reporter at punch bowl news. andrew, it is 14 confirmation hearings this week, 13 nominees, 11 committees holding hearings. what is a senior congressional reporter to do? guest: you got to prioritize. in terms of the nominees that are the most controversial, the most difficult time getting confirmed, you got pet

so i have read it a very interesting interview with steve bannon in bloomberg this week in which he said, okay, most can repeat what he has done in the us is everywhere in the world. he has the money, he has the means with x x. the demonstrated how to, how he can run a public discourse just by this. so he's, he created this by inviting, viable and gave her the platform. and immediately everyone is jumping on this train and discussing what they have, what they have talked about, even if it's a. yeah, meaning less because it is not really i don't believe at all that this is really the, the conversations people are concerned about. so we have a huge issue with the economy right now in germany, you have an issue with infrastructure and the other day again, as well as prompted before actually is selling this good old days. we bring you back the good old days narrative, which is of course comfortable for the constituency to believe in. but it's also very easy because you can blame every time someone else. now it's the migraines. we have seen it with whoever actually the jews in the past. so th

steve bannon against it. elon musk who made sure trump was elected this time for it.pers flare and bannon wants to sit back and study and call them a toddler and must reply with an expletive. next, a likely clash ukraine work. secretary of state nobody on the record in support. in my view he will clash with the vice president elect j.d. vance is made it clear in the past he wants no part of it. national security advisor referee. last week speaker johnson led the term budget. the blue up because of elon and vivek ramaswamy. attacking the weekend iran to bring up different opinions i can imagine when you have these people who have a different view of our nemesis over the last 40 years tulsi gabbard likely to say hands off. pete hegseth will say no about iran and when it comes to healthcare, rfk made some views known in the administration and other public and sides will find itself to stomach rfk junior's rules. it got so bad this week anticipating the next four years and coming chief of staff susie wiles and a memo to cabinet companies. no member of this incoming admini

among the maga faithful, the loudest voice is steve bannon. >> you can be part of this but you will notit here and lie to our face and expect to say, oh, because you are worth $500 billion, you people are taking money, take money, i don't care. i could care less, i am a crazy freaking irishman. >> it is not just a visa issue, this is a symptom of raw shock trump politics. he has been able to survive the last four years by focusing on the media and the deep sea. we are about to find out what happens when trump, elon musk, mike johnson and all the unruly republicans and john thune have to agree on actual policies and spending cuts. 155-year-old single mom from pennsylvania told the washington post, trump is more attuned to the needs of everyone instead of just the rich. i think he knows that it is the poor people who got him elected so i think he will do more to help us. joining us now is and embassy legal analyst, let's start with this quote from this woman who voted for trump. what say you? >> i'm not surprised. i think a lot of people who voted, and it is a very small margin, it looked

i heard don given one of his best talks and shapiro was here, steve bannon, all of this stuff.t year, who was here at the event last year? okay. do you remember the tension last year? do you remember what things felt like just a year ago? everybody was kind of like, oof, what's going to happen, decembet of heated moment in the republican party, all the criticism going after trump, maybe it's going to be something else, biden is going to come up. year later, today, everybody told you last year, president donald trump was going to win, how would you have celebrated last year? you'll be all over the place. here is the thing, november 5th may have been a great day for many of you conservatives and republicans. it may have been a great day for president donald trump, it may have been a great day with the avengers that they put together himself, bobby kennedy that came out in arizona also, turning point usa event, you have elon musk, you have tulsi gabbard, you have the entire trump, lara trump that did incredible job behind closed doors, november 5th, listen to me, folks, was the wo

is he picking up the baton of steve bannon who joined trump's last administration as adviser back thenying to rally the european far right, make them into a bigger political force? that's kind of happened and musk seems to be pushing that forward. how far right does he want to take them? if you take a look at the example in the uk, that's worryingly to the right. i think the other question, you know, that ponders the mind of politicians in the uk specifically, if he is targeting the labor party that have a massive majority and a four to five years away from another election, this must be a long- term strategy. how long will it last? >> fascinating stuff. nic robertson, really appreciate it. thank you. >>> turning to another long- time u.s. ally, canada. today the canadian prime minister embattled justin trudeau announced he is resigning as head of the country's ruling party, meaning he also plans to step down as the canadian prime minister. this is a position he's held for more than nine years as trudeau faces increasing pressure from incoming president donald trump, deep unpopularity

>> no, he creates, the flood the zone thing that steve bannon. flood the zone with misinformation, there is a little bit of real information in there or discontent. people in britain are worried and then make it a mess. say something outrageous, people respond. they are on your agenda and not vice versa. today all of the european leaders coordinating, it felt like a coordinating effort to push back on him. now he is the story. that is how elon musk likes it. attention finder. >> is there a business reason to get involved in british politics? >> it is about control. control to get rid of regulation that is part of the thing. and i think he just likes it now. this is what amuses him. he is not paying attention to tesla or they would have better models >> how can he be running these companies? >> he is not. there are good executives. tesla is falling behind in terms of invasion and new products. that is why the sales are off for the first time. global sales are down. not paying attention. a.i. is an interest of his obviously. he is doing that by sui

but it is musk's right wing push picking up on what former trump strategist and advisory steve bannon began eight years ago. championing europe's far right disrupters that has europe's leaders worried. >> translator: 10 years ago if we were told the owner of the largest social media networks would support a international movement and directly intervene in elections including germany. >> reporter: musk supporting the hard right afd. alternative for germany party. accused of resurrecting nazi rhetoric. ahead of elections there next month. but, musk is going further right than bannon. a tamping a trump ally saying he does not have what it takes to lead his upstart reform u.k. party. the british populous that pushed brexit. supporter who might finance his party. >> the fact that he supports and supports reform does not mean i have to agree with everything said on x. why the falling out? robinson, a jailed antimuslim who fanned the flames of racist riots last summer. musk praises him. farage doesn't. the question in europe now, how far right will musk go? >> reporter: concern in the u.k. h

. >> earlier this year steve bannon said democrats are not the enemy, the media is.the media, the last line of defense in getting the truth out. >> a lot of young people get their news from influencers, pew research had a great report on that that most young voters get their news from news influencers and most of them are men and conservative and 77% of them are not attached to a news organization whatsoever. but to bring together both points, there is a need to learn about what is going on, and to do those deep dives. that is what the news can do, the deep dives, not the hot takes, because those are good for conversations at cocktail parties but not good enough to help you make good decisions and that is a movement towards wanting to make good decisions after the cycle. i've never seen so many people crying after an election. half of my students -- i had to just entertain questions and concerns about what happened after the election. >> maybe they just did not like your class. good reviews. with that said, they really want to know how to make sense of what is going

britain and picked a fight with right wing reform party leader nigel who is a long time confidant of steve bannon and donald trump. what is going on there? >> i might disagree with max. meloni is in trouble because she's been working to get this starling contract for the government. neo- far right member who we think should take over the party. he will become prime minister of britain. there is something going on that i disagree with max because i don't think it's about money. he will get the contract in italy or may not and he's not backing a guy in jail. this guy in britain is in jail because he's been lying about a syrian river j. nigel said i don't want to get my party over to a guy in jail. why is elon musk backing a white nationalist in jail in britain? tickets to his political transformation during the 2024 campaign, as you said, most of these guys tend to be libertarian and musk was left- leaning to begin. he had -- in the last 18 months where he sees himself as a leader of a pam transatlantic christian nationalist movement. >> these men have an unlimited amount of money. what they do not

you know, steve bannon was inviting me on to talk about the technocracy in the way that they institutionse really nice in the left feels that way. we want to go back to the earth and permit culture and local communities and cooperatives and the fact that both sides are feeling that is in some ways a reaction against the abstraction of digital. the abstraction of capitalism and everything is a derivative of a derivative and it has so much more leverage than the real world. so in some ways that is back to the land, and the blue states sort of i just want to go up to my commune and have an experience with people. >> that 60s back to the land movement that gave birth to a lot of things and now a rebellion to digital reality. we will be right back. ight ba eroxon gel is clinically proven to work within ten minutes, so you and your partner can experience the heights of intimacy. new eroxon ed treatment gel. you didn't start a business just to keep the lights on. lucky for you, shopify built the just one-tapping, ridiculously fast-acting, sky-high sales stacking champion of checkouts. businesses

he was on steve bannon's show saying he wanted everything they due to be related to the deficit.about medicaid cuts and medicare cuts. that is something the third rail does not even begin to cover. so how serious are they about this kind of stuff? they claim they are serious but there is no way to do any of the things that trump once to do. anchor: should democrats stepped in to help republicans get the votes they need to pass some of this legislation? >> only if it makes sense. only if it helps the american people. only if it is something they can argue that it will help. because this is in the best interests of the country. they are the ones very interested in governing. he is going to need democrats. i think it is incumbent upon him to come to democrats with legislation they can actually do. anchor: there is also contexts and working. we saw the attack in new orleans. we saw president biden's response. in the new cell trump coming out immediately claiming -- blaming everyone. it is a different context entirely. what do you make of that response? >> this is a long national nigh

>> it's sort of the flood the zone thing that steve bannon perfected. flood the zone with misinformation, and there's a little bit of real information in there, or discontent. people in britain are worried about this topic, and then you say something so outrageous that people then respond. they're on your agenda, and not vice versa. today, all the european leaders, obviously ordinating, were trying to push back on him, but now, he's the story. which is how he likes it. >> is there a business reason to get involved in british politics, politics in europe? >> it's about control, yeah. i think get rid of regulation. that's part of the thing. and i think he just likes it now. this is what amuses him. he's not paying attention to tesla, they'd have better models. >> how can he be running all these companies? >> he's not. there's a very good executive at spacex. and tesla is falling behind, byd and other things in terms of innovation and new products. and that's why its sales are off for the first time, global sales are down. so, he's not paying attention to

but it is musk's right- wing push picking up on what former trump strategist and adviser steve bannonegan eight years ago, championing europe's far right populist disruptors that has europe's leaders worried. >> translator: ten years ago if we'd been told that the owner of the world's largest social media networks would support an international reactionary movement and directly interfere in elections including germany. >> reporter: musk also supporting the hard right afd, alternative for germany party, which has been accused of resurrecting nazi rhetoric. ahead of elections there next month. but musk is going further right than bannon, attacking a staunch trump ally, nigel farraj, saying farraj doesn't have what it takes to lead his upstart reform uk party. farage, the british populist who pushed breksist, just hours before musk's putdown had counted the tech titan a supporter who might finance his fledgling party. >> the fact that he supports me politically and supports reform doesn't mean i have to agree with every single statement he makes on x. >> reporter: why the falling out? po

the loudest voice railing against these voices is steve bannon.s criticism only at elon musk. >> you are not going to sit here and lie to us to our face and expect us to say, oh, because you are worth $500 billion, you people are taking money, take money. i don't care. bow down and cow tail. i don't care. i could care less. i'm a crazy irishman. 100% moratorium on all immigration until we get this sorted. >> this is trumpian politics. it is whatever you want to believe. trump has been able to survive the last four years from the cheap seats by focussing conservatives on their shared hatred of broad targets like the media and the deep state, whatever that is. we are about to find out what happens when trump, elon musk and mr. mediocrity, mike johnson and all those the house republicans that put mike johnson on notice today have to defend actual legislation with actual spending cuts and actual policies. what about the people who voted for trump? one 55-year-old single mom said recently trump is more attuned to the needs of everyone instead of just t

>> no, he creates all kinds of -- it is the flood the zone thing that steve bannon perfected. flood the zone with misinformation. there is a little bit of real information in there or discontent, people in britain are worried about this topic and make it a mess and say something so outrageous that people then respond and then you're on their -- they're on your agenda and not vice versa. today, all the european leaders obviously coordinating. it felt like a coordinated effort. we're trying to push back on him. now, he's the story, which is how elon musk likes it. >> is there a business reason to get involved in british politics and politics in europe? >> it is about control, yeah. if they can have control, get rid of regulation, that's part of the thing. and i think he likes it now. this is what amuses him. he's not paying attention to -- >> how can he be running all these companys? >> he's not. he's not. there is a very good executive at spacex, at tesla. tesla is falling behind. byd and other things in terms of innovation and new products and that's why its sales are off for

as my colleague steve bannon pointed out, trump flunked a test of accuracy, pushing misinformation within of a deadly attack. second, he flunked a test of decency, trying to exploit the attack to advance an ugly and misguided agenda. third, trump flunked a test of credibility, that when tragedy strikes, americans can't count on the incoming president for reliable and trustworthy information. tim miller, host of "the bulwark" podcast, resident of new orleans where he's joining us from now. good to see you. thank you for joining us. there's a lot here. to some of us, we don't turn to social media for our news or information anymore anyway. and for a lot of americans, they don't turn to the president for news and information. used to be that was important. president or the administration would have information that you otherwise don't. in this particular case, trump had nothing of saw. in fact, it was the opposite. i don't know if that means anything to anybody anymore. does it matter that the incoming president of the united states posted entire misinformation about a very serious potential