. >> steve beko? >> yeah, who was a great young leader, not the anc but he would have been a great future statesman and i am not sure they actually intend today kill him but they tortured him so thoroughly that he died and they didn't treat him. they led him on this horrible ride. it got coverage enough to be noticed around the world when he was arrested. most of us assume he is going to coverage. so when he was actually killed, it was shocking. i wrote the song, and it was a bit like a calling card. then i got invited this, that, and the other and particularly the amnesty tours which in '86 and '88, the '881 went around the world, we suddenly started meeting people who were in the front line of these extraordinary experiences. >> but you had now crossed the threshold into the world of human rights activism and social justice and at that point, you were in. you couldn't walk away? in fact, you talk about bono hustling you into this as well? >> yeah. well, the first one was '86 and bono was the master