i want to come back mostly to steve biddle's remarks. because i agree with him that the prospect of a negotiated settlement being acceptable politically here in the united states is vanishingly small. the concessions that the united states made to the taliban as part of the bergdoll trade which steve referred to are so much less than the concessions that we would be parties to in the event of a negotiated political settlement in afghanistan that left the taliban at least as partners in some sort of power sharing agreement in the government. so this is a question for the panelists as well as for those of you in the audience and watching online. will we americans ever be willing to tolerate something in afghanistan that does not look like unadult rated victory which all four of the panelists have said sent a realistic prospect and if we americans are not willing to accept anything less than unadult rated victory, then are we not, in fact merely on a steady as she goes hope for a miracle and in the meantime sustain the appearance of not los