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>>> and we are back with jim and deborah fallows and steve brill, talking about nothing less than theallows perspective, which i characterize as the friedman one from a different column, which is, if you want to be optimistic about this country, stand on your head because everything looks better from the bottom up. but the kind of problems you outline, that the government is deeply partisan, it can't get anything done, we haven't built any serious infrastructure for 30 or 40 years, you have a deadlock, you can't get scientific research done, you have money problems. these are all big problems that i mean, i hate to say it, but the fact that the mayor of sioux falls is doing a good job, or some community has a good public library, it isn't going to so have these huge problems. >> i don't agree. i think it will, because i think the solutions come from the bottom up, especially when the "up" is totally paralyzed. and people who see those solutions and are disgusted about the macro picture will start to support political leaders who want to spread those solutions. you don't have to go far

david brill and i definitely approve this message. [ applause ] >> hey, steve harvey, get that familythe feud. i want to mention we will be packing up and taking off to brooklyn, new york, next month for our annual trip to the academy of music. go to kimmel.com and tickets are free. anyone who lives in new york or l.a. knows there's a rivalry between the cities when it comes to pretty much everything and it start at a young age so we decided it would be fun to ask kid in both cities, who was funnier, kids in new york or kid in l.a., and it wasn't just an opinion poll, we made the kid prove it, too. ♪ >> what do you think is funnier, kids in new york or l.a.? >> l.a. >> how come? >> it's a fact. >> who is "fixer upper," kids in new york or kids in l.a.? >> new york. >> she's really funny. >> how come kids here are funnier? >> i don't know. just that new york sense of humor. >> yeah. >> can you tell us a joke. >> i love the "new yorker," it's really funny. >> what did the salad said to the refrigerator? >> what? >> close the door. i'm dressing. >> can you tell us a joke? >> yeah. >> wha