there is also steve chen.nfortunately, jawed decided to leave the company before we actually launched the service or had a chance to raise funding. he decided to go back to school, to stanford. it was really then me and steve's journey after that, after raising the funds, riding this wave of video and dealing with growth, eventually ending up at google. emily: you grew up in pennsylvania. indiana university of pennsylvania. you studied design there. chad: yeah. emily: what kind of kid were you growing up? chad: i would not say i was the most academic child growing up. but i was curious about things. i really enjoyed art. for me, growing up, dabbling, i guess, you do not need to be an engineer to have a startup. you just need to be someone with ideas. and you have to follow through with creating something that others can relate to. so, for me, you know, art and startups are not too different. emily: how did you end up in silicon valley? chad: i read about a small startup beaming money through palm pilots. at th