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you're on with steve clemens. >> hi, mr.clemens. >> hi, i just wanted you to comment on isis finding sarin gas and nuclear materials which i dote think -- i don't believe they know how to use nuclear materials -- >> well, thank you. i don't know. i haven't seen the reports about isis finding sarin gas and nuclear weapons but it wouldn't surprise me that isis has found or worked with various forms of stashes because one of the interesting debates that began to evolve inside syria which very clearly the syrian government deployed chemical agents against certain portions of the population, there was also some debate at the time and a un investigation that actually saw that there's the possibility that some of the opposition troops, didn't specify isis, and defecting general, may have also come by some caches. there was an effort for some time to get various of the defecting units from the syrian army to ally with other some of the affected brigades. this is one of the tasks that the prince of saudi arabia who was then the previ

joining us now, steve clemens, editor at large for "the atlantic" and senior fellow at the new americation. steve, thanks for being with us. congratulations on this very scary story. >> thank you. well, thanks in a way. >> well, let me ask you about -- let me just ask you to extrapolate on what i just said and your broader findings here. the saudi government does not admit to having funded and armed isis as far as i know. but you're essentially reporting that they made it happen through unofficial channels, partially at the behest of some american senators. >> there's a lot of interesting evidence around this. the most important of which after senator mccain who, to be clear, i don't think senator mccain overtly want to support isis. senator mccain has been frustrated with how the good and warm and fuzzy syrian opposition hasn't been more effective in wanting those folks armed and was praising bandar in a way for doing things the u.s. wouldn't or couldn't do. what bandar was doing, head of saudi intelligence at the time, was essentially running an operation of coddling and building wha

joining me now, steve clemens. he writes about politics and foreign affairs for "the atlantic." steve, the prospects, as the president said, of a new government forming that's actually inclusive of both shia, sunni, and kurds, that doesn't seem all that likely. does it seem a little more likely to you than it does to me? >> one always has to hold out the hope for a miracle. that's a week from now. nothing that the maliki government has done has ever moved that quickly. that being said, when you look at the speed at which isis is taking town by town, wiping out the borderlines between iraq and syria, taking towns in jordan, one wonders what iraq will look like in a week. so even if they were to move that fast, believe it or not, it may not be fast enough. >> and, you know, steve, i wonder just in looking at the situation if fundamentally everything that stemmed from the u.s. occupation is so suspect that it cannot really have stability, didn't have real legs, meaning that the maliki government itself was a product of the occupation and invasion by the united states as was the mili

. >> joining us now, steve clemens from the atlantic to talk about the latest in iraq. >> good morning. >> "usa today" through the associated press had a story taking a look and the headline -- i want to read you the headline. "when it comes to president obama, try to avoid mission creep in iraq." do you think that's going to happen? >> i hope it doesn't. there have been various times when we've seen any kind of military deployment through the deployment of military advisors where you see a slippery slope to a much larger engagement. the president showed in libya that that was not the case. it was a case where some of us were worried at the time when we began to impose a no-fly zone that that would lead to a much larger military engagement. the president demonstrated an incredible discipline in that case so this may be like that. but our general tradition of military deployment and engagement and something of this scale is that's the beginning not the end. >> you said this may be like that. what changes -- what keeps it from going further than. >> well, what happens if isis and its all

. >> steve clemens? >> sometimes talking about fiction allows us to talk about the real world more easily. david ignatius' last novel "blood money" takes financial tracking intelligence, and you see in that novel that is taken by adversaries and used by cia, nsa and others. i'm interested to what degree implied is the united states is in such a leading position in this capacity, there hasn't been discussion that much about where the gap is with the next leaders and whether or not some of what we are talking about today can be used in a way against american interests by others? >> good question. what did you see in the way american partners and adversaries were developing their own capabilities? >> this is the issue about -- drives you back to the balkanization. it's interesting to see technically what's going on out there, and how good silicon valley and others are. it's doubling every two years. what you learned your first year of college, by junior year half of what you learned is outdated. i think in

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let's bring in retired army colonel, jack jacobs, and washington editor of large, steve clemens. colonel jacobs, i'll begin with you, sir. this video appears to be a carefully crafted message, aimed at showing the group's outreach and their popularity. i'm sure you're concerned about it. what most concerns you? >> the fact that isis is smart enough to recognize that radical movements attract young people. and the way to attract young people today is to get on to social media. they seem to be very adept at doing that. and recruitment both inside and outside iraq is the goal here. and they're doing a very good job of it, as we can see on the videota video. that's going to increase as their hold solidifies inside iraq, but they're also recruiting outside iraq, and that's very, very dangerous. >> steve, releasing this video in english, does this point to a sophisticated media strategy? i mean, basically, it guarantees were play in the west. look, we're talking about it. >> well, i think that what is happening, what's been happening for a long time, my former colleague at the new amer

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