and also with steve clemens, hosts of colleges, there is. so the bottom line, good top you both with us. let me start with your initial reaction to this decision by these 3 european countries, the significance of it, and what impact do you think it's likely to have there on 1st significance is symbolic rather than practical. but it does ramp up pressure on the 10, you know, under war cabinet to end the war in gaza to a stop or at least do something about the ramp and violence in the west bank. and to probably slow down the pace of settlements in the west. bank. all right. see, i think it further isolates both israel in the united it states for not moving forward because you can't on recognize the state once you've recognized it. we now see the withdrawal form for consultations of ambassadors of israel to these to these nations. they're to come back and look at it, and so it's real lives in a way, more diplomatically isolated. but i feel like this is a long term response to the secretary john kerry, who once said, we can't one piece more than

steve clemens and i have a question. does the us shield israel from the laws that are meant to deny weapons for human rights violators? let's get to the bottom line. the united states as the world's biggest supplier of weapons, decades ago, laws were put into place to prevent the supply of those weapons. the countries that commit quote, gross violations of human rights, perhaps the most famous of those laws, is the late he law of 1997, named after it's lead sponsored, former senator patrick leahy and just this past february, after months of israel's war and gaza, the by the administration published the national security memorandum that's known as n s. m 20. and it requires the state department to report to congress or whether it finds it is real, is credible when it makes assurances that it's uses of us weapons do not violate us law or international law. so what are the requirements of those us laws when it farms other countries and are these mechanisms applied equally across the world, especially when it comes to israel

both spoke to steve clemens, he's the host of elders. he was bottom line. and he says that the growing recognition of palestinian statehood is increasingly isolating israel as well. as the by an administration you can't on recognize the state once you've recognized it . we now see the withdrawal form for consultations of ambassadors of israel to these to these nations know to come back and look at it. and so is real lives in a way, more diplomatically isolated, but i feel like this is a long term response to secretary john kerry, who once said, we can't one piece more than they do. and these nation to saying we have to one piece more than they do, what's likely to be the reaction from the biden administration. you have 3 important therapy in countries, making this move to day one of the close on islands of the by the administration. how are they likely to respond to the by the ministration will say these are wrong headed moves the getting in the way of a vital process that's necessary to bring stakeholders for peace together. so america believes the process