>> steve clemmons, as well as robert wiseman, he was giving his expertise in "the new york times" reporting about exxon, saying, i'm going to read what you say, the chances that tillerson will view russia with exxonmobil dna are close to 100%. i'll tell you, anything close to 100% sounds to me like an exaggeration or an overstatement. you don't know. i don't think you could prove what he would do in the future as secretary of state. but why don't you explain to us the evidence you have about why you're so concerned. >> well, it's not about him personally, or even whether he's going to act in good faith. this is a guy who spent his entire career with exxon. he's the ceo of exxon. he's made his reputation on the deal in russia, and it's unreasonable to expect that he can suddenly discard that, forget the whole history, forget all the arguments he's made, not be influenced by his old relationships, and his new job as secretary of state. >> steve, what do you think? >> i think steve call said it best. and i think some people have been getting rex tillerson wrong. but rex tillerson can preside o