by steve clemons he's a political blogger and director of the american strategy program at the america foundation thanks very much indeed for joining us on our team a bomber and cameron have been toasting their special relationship what do you think jimmy really see eye to eye on all issues. well no i don't i think we've gotten to the point where the unconditionality and us british relations has sort of methods and they're going to be times where the british are with us in time when at what times when they're not and i think that's very healthy but because of so much of the theater in flamboyance in the past about the special relationship almost everything you set out to do gets measured against that and i think that what they're trying to do is both underscore that the relationship is important and there is lots of pomp and circumstance in what is going on in london but at the same time you can saying it's an essential relationship but you know frankly countries have lots of essential relationships it's not going to be the relationship anyone wants is the u.k. really that important to

steve clemons thanks for joining us.rson, ides like to is does you to stick around for one more question. earlier tonight, donald rumsfeld, former defense secretary, said this to bill o'reilly on fox. here it is. >> people are equating waterboarding with torture. and i think that's a mistake. the president of the united states authorized the waterboarding. it was done to three people by the cia. not by the military. and it produced an enormous amount of very, very valuable intelligence information. >> it just amazes me how former bush administration officials are out on the beaten path on the cables just saying it just did everything for the country. your thoughts on that. >> well, my former boss colin powell recently said that donald rumsfeld was delusional and deceptive and he could prove both points. my former boss is right. and on this issue, donald rumsfeld is more delusional than deceptive probably than any other. first of all, his last statement about hoards of intelligence is preposterous. it didn't produce hoard