tom fanning is here to talk with the atlantic steve clemons of clemons up a costly road he traveled to the first-ever u.s. power plant be designed to include commercial carbon capture technology. thanks tom for coming. >> thank you so much margaret. we don't have a lot of time. we have to get right to work. did you like ernie moniz? if he wasn't fabulous would you say that? >> absolutely. he's an action oriented guy smart, comes from a great background, dynamite choice. >> the reason i want to interview you hear is i heard you gave a talk in asp in a couple of years ago in which you talk about carbon and ways to deploy that. you just opened this mississippi plant at margaret mentioned but beyond that you are taking things to china and i'm interested you are one of the big power guy is and you also deploy your energy among the lowest socioeconomic constituencies in the united states. i'm interested in how you get smart energy choices when the economics are not necessarily there. >> there are a lot of issues -- >> you have seven minutes. >> it is so foundational. when i took of the natio

i am joined tonight by steve clemons and michael o'hanlen. what are the geopolitical implications here? there are a lot of compliments coming from world leaders and the loss of this saudi arabian leader, what does it mean? is it going to have a big shift in policy at all for saudi arabia? >> well the bottom line ed is it could have a big shift. there's no monarchy in the world that gets rid of a king and gets a new king as quickly in place as saudi arabia. the process has been smooth stable, and a whole raft of sort of rapid response changes in personnel in the royal court happened today. that said saudi arabia has for a time been inching to a belief that the united states today isn't what it used to be. it isn't the guarantor or the stabilizer it used to be. saudi arabia feels like it needs to fill a void left by an absence of strategy by the united states. it sees iran and iran's influence riseing in the region. it sees yemen in disarray. it sees syria and the invasion of iraq as part of the mismanagement of u.s. foreign policy. all of thos

steve clemons is an msnbc contributor and washington editor at large for the atlanta.with us. as we look at the new data we've got, is there anything to say from your perspective that 2015 will be different? >> i think 2015 is going to be a very true tal time as well. i think the numbers will be harsher, thankfully on the isis side. i think the united states and the allies are planning a major spring offensive. we've begun to see isis in the news. in part, because it'sless of a jugger nothing you had impactive bombing runs by u.s. forces and bombing run against mosul where 15 leading isis figtures schurures were allegedly killed. i think you're seeing a roll back now. that will continue. this is a very resilient group that keeps popping up in different places. i think it will get nasty in 2015. >> as you see isis and the ability to be mitigated. and there are smaller militant groups that are popping up and gathering energy around isis. what does it say about the environment? what does it say about the ability of isis to bring them into their coalition, if you will of e

steve clemons, pleasure. key a close eye on this development and keep you informed throughout "the rundown." >>> we're just getting started on this friday edition of "the rundown." >>> coming up, day two of the republican retreat in the sweetest place on earth. hershey, pennsylvania. have they come to a consensus on issues like, for example, immigration? >>> plus the new u.s. regulations on cuba go into effect today on the same day independent journalists on the island are reporting recently released political prisoners have been rearrested. >>> and a court date today for the ohio man police say was plotting to attack capitol hill in the name of isis. details coming up on msnbc. mike mike mike mike mike! >>mike mike mike mike mike. hey! he knows! hey! guess what day it is! hey! camel! guess what day it is! >>it's not even wednesday. let it go, phil. if you're a camel, you put up with this all the time. it's what you do. (sigh) if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico.

. >> steve clemons, as this all unfolds in the hours and the aftermath and coverage and feeling of it all, it is emotionally paralleling that of 9/11, when you see the world out commenting on this. this could also be a unifying moment again, not that we haven't had it since 9/11 but revisiting the unification to fight terrorism and to understand the threat that is out there. how do you respond to the response of the french people in the way they are protesting in solidarity right now? >> i think what mikey laid out about the people sticking with their freedoms of expression and saying we are going to continue to do what we do and have a healthy civil society and not be intimidated. i would like to see candlelight vigils all around the world in honor of the people that died in this horrific attack. i would like to see them in riyadh and jeddah and tehran where you have civil societies and government and stress and you have this confusion. it is time for those societies and the leadership in those societies to stand up and spit on what happened today. for people who want to see better l

. >> terrorism expert peter neumann and steve clemones thank you. stay with us everybody at home up next an important guest, civil rights activists who worked closely with dr. martin luther king during the civil rights moment depicted in the film "selma" he'll weigh in on controversies around the film after the break. >>> we're back live in atlanta, welcome to the program, everybody. today ceos, world leaders and civic leaders all gathered for the 2015 hope global forum here. the goal? to outline a vision for moving this country closer to economic equality. the co-chair for the hope global forum, someone well versed in fighting for equality. andrew young, very much in the news right now as pioneering work in the civil rights moment is depicted in the film "selma" just nominated as an academy awards for best picture and garnering praise and controversy. joining me now andrew young and former mayor of atlanta, and the ceo of give globally. it's exciting and i want to talk about passing the torch generationally. this forum, they are focused on economic

. >> steve clemons, msnbc contributor and washington editor at large for the "atlantic" joins us from paris. steve, always good to see you, sir. the state department says -- >> great to be with you, craig. >> -- the fight against isis still in phase one. the next stage is apparently to build up iraqi forces. we've talked a fair amount about this. from what you have seen can iraqi forces be expected to realistically get this job done? can they be expected to do the job? >> not alone. i think that the iraqi forces have to own their territory. they have to be equipped and trained to take on this very unusual foe in iraq and it's also in syria, but i think that outfitting them equipping them is part of the puzzle. what is also part of this is what john kerry and his counterpart in london are trying to do at 21 flation 1nations, snip off the funding and that isis has been successfully synthesizing into their war machine and try to cut that off and add a major spring offensive to u.s. forces and its allies against isis. you'll have different pieces of this. clearly the iraqi combat troops a

steve clemones editor at large for "the atlantic."inisters are considering a plan for travel documents, but does it surprise you there weren't bigger sweeping reforms on table here. >> europe is a very big place in the sense that you've got multiple numbers of players that's have veto over big sweep being changes. those states like belgium, france germany and greece which have been at the forefront of this are feeling the heat more than other member states. and the notion of what a citizen's rights are is something held very tightly among citizens there. there have been discussion not only withholding travel documents but finding easier ways to strip citizenship from people engaged in concerting with terrorists. that has fallen flat thus far. >> steve, we know countries across europe have ramped up arrests since the attack in paris. a 30-year-old algerian man will be in court over a possible link to the plot in belgium, but longer term, what do you see as the biggest policy shift likely to come out of this moment in europe? >> i think

i have now steve clemons with me. steve, the congresswoman was talking about the bigger picture.he debate on immigration going on. >> that's americanize this for a minute. let's just recklessly speculate for a moment that was the united states. it was the onion or bill maher or john stewart. >> or sony pictures. >> this is another assault on free expression. thankfully sony made their way out of there. but at the time i interviewed lisa monaco the homeland terrorism advisers to two u.s. presidents, and at that time fran was krit calf sony. it's one thing to make a film. they have to defend themselves. they hadn't invested enough in their own protection. i think all of us that are journalists and worried about free expression and having that edge, is part of what this country is about. we may have to invest more in protecting ourselves. i hate to say it because i've been a critic in the nsa. when you ask what do we do to protect ourselves? we have to begin watching what is going on. i think the united states has done a better job than most of watching who has gone to syria and ira

tom fanning is here to talk with the atlantic steve clemons of the painful and costly road he's traveled to build the first-ever u.s. power plant designed to include commercial carbon capture technology. thanks tom for coming. >> thank you so much margaret. tom, thanks for joining us today. we don't have a lot of time we've got to get right to work. >> yes sir. yes, sir. >> i guess the big question i have is ernie moniz is up here. do you like ernie moniz? >> i think he's fabulous. i think ernie is great. >> is that -- if he wasn't fabulous would you say that? >> absoluteryly. secretary moniz is great. he's an action oriented guy, smart, comes from a great background i think he's a dynamite choice. doing a great job. >> the reason i want to interview you here is i heard you give a talk in aspen a couple of years ago in which you talked about carbon, and you talked about ways to constrain carbon and how to deploy that. you just opened this mississippi plant that margaret just mentioned but beyond that you're taking things to china. >> you bet. and eastern europe. >> i'm interested, you're