. >> rose: we continue this evening with steve coll, the dean of the columbia of journalism school and also a writer for "the new yorker" magazine. his recent article is rex tillerson is still acting like a ceo. >> the secretary of at a time is second most important spokesperson of the government after the president. it is your opportunity, it is your job to get out there and talk about america's place in the world, about foreign policy, and one of the tricks that the last secretary, last five secretaries is of state have modeled is how you use that speech, that bully pulpit to gain influence inside the cabinet, inside the white house, you make yourself a force by your opportunity to speak almost distinctly on behalf of the united states. >> rose: we conclude with daniele thompson a french filmmaker whose most recent film is "cezanne et moi". >> "cezanne et moi" in his lifetime, you know, was ignored, cezanne, and really not only by the establishment but by his friends, by his best friend, this is probably one of the things that was the most painful for him, because he admired a lot --

i am pleased to have steve coll back at this table, welcome. steve: thank you.harlie: i can imagine they said this, it is an exciting time, i cannot remember a more exciting time. to be looking at what is happening in the world, to be a journalist. steve: it is exciting to be at a journalism school, all these young reporters going out into this environment, trying to figure out how to do their job professionally. it is a time i think, when the attacks on the press has strengthened the press, made it clear what our role is, and also raised the bar on our performance, we have to earn it. in this environment of trying to delegitimize the press or divide the press. it is an exciting time to be in his profession. charlie: should we as journalists have learned something from the campaign? steve: yes. in theere lots of misses run-up to the election by journalism. we have lots of journalists in this country. that is part of the story our , media is fragmented. but there was an overreliance on prediction and data science. we have lost a lot of professional reporting in t

charlie: steve coll is here, the dean of columbia journalism school, also a staff writer for the newlatest piece in this week's issue is called rex , tillerson still acting like a ceo. it looks at tillerson's relationship with the press, the secretary's trip to asia last week became a subject of controversy when tillerson announced that he would not be traveling with the diplomatic press corps. he has also come under fire for his media silence, neglecting what many view as an integral part of his secretary of state.