they really don't know steve dains and they don't really know john walsh and john bolinger. t as the election gets closer, they'll be able to introduce themselves. dains was born in california and spent most of his career in china outsourcing job. john walsh is a butte guy, and nobody can take at that away from john walsh. >> talk to me about populism. do you see this as a winning message on the national stage? >> dang tootin'. i won reelection in 2008 with 65% plus of the vote. why? because i was good with money. if you've got a democrat that's good with money, you can't beat him. during that great recession of 2009 and 2010, 48 states went upside down. they were in budget deficits. two states had a surplus. we were one of them. we challenged every expense, and increased the college graduation rate more than any state in the country. >> governor, we're running out of time. you've been critical of president obama's health care law, now 8 million people have enrolled, the president has said that democrats shouldn't be defensive about health care, that they shouldn't run away f