c-span: he was an interesting character but so was steve eisner and -- but why did they tell you why y would only focus on him or dead steve icen say i'm not going to participate? >> guest: all the characters were dish had a privileged access to wall street because of "liar's poker" and other book that people were willing to talk to me. and i developed relationships with this subjects over a long time, and enabled me to write about them enter intimately. but it became an intimate against, -- experience and hanging around and talking, but a book would come out oft it, but i didn't think much. i trusted him so okay. and now the book comes out, and they're getting calls from "60 minutes" saying, you want to go on the air? morgan stanly won't let steve eisner go on the air. he would doing it anyway if he felt bloody minded enough. but he didn't want to be a famous person. doesn't want to be on television. and charlie and young men -- who i had to badger into letting me write about them. i think they are on an island somewhere waiting for this to end. the last thing they wanted was to be o