let's go in focus to find out with steve forbes, rich carl guard elizabeth mcdonald make owe ozanian and bruce. what do you think, the cost of closing more than the cost of keeping it open? >> david, you never close a pow camp until you win the war. we know from past experience when you release these people many of them do go back to trying to fight against us in this war on terror. so this is blood on the ground, innocent lives are being put in jeopardy and in terms of that swap that was disproportionate. usually like during the civil war you have a certain number, you swap for a certain physical. this was just totally asymmetrical as they say, totally disproportionate and innocent people are going to pay their lives for it. >> bruce to steve's point 30% of those released are either confirmed or suspected of reengaging in terror. that's a big number. >> well, my problem with this whole gitmo situation is that it was created on the myth that the u.s. judicial system couldn't andel prisoners in the war on terror and i think it reminds people -- if it reminds me of torture and that who

our group, the committee to unleash prosperity steve forbes and steve moore and i, kasich is coming. 40 people are going to cross-examine him. rick santelli the founder of the tea party, what question should i ask governor kasich and i will credit you? >> ask him can we get rid of all the regulations and go back to basics? failure is the best regulation instead of all these dodd/franks, just margin products, okay? we can get rid of most of the red tape and maybe the biggest issue is listen they talk about climate change and trying to control mother nature and they can't balance a budget, they can't do corporate tax reform. come on. let's get down to the things that everybody needs to do. >> rick -- >> now, as far as the markets -- >> let's get back to the markets. >> you started this. >> i did. i had to. i couldn't resist. go ahead, rick. >> last segment jack brought up some great points last segment. the fact we're getting so close to quarter end given t3 in terms

we know what steve forbes thinks, but what about his employees, they debate, you decide. @? is is the only way that we can limit what we give to the government each year. secondly, i think it's very unamerican that we have to prove to the people whose salaries we pay what we make. do a sales tax. >> rich, milton freed man the great economist -- the great economist said he didn't like the sales tax or what he would call the value added tax because it worked too well it was too effective for government's it this collecting money. we didn't like that. plus they could raise it very easily. >> yeah that's its problems. it's always going to be tinkered with. the great thing about a flat tax is you've got a national consensus, everybody is treated the same way and i would just go, steve, one step further. i would apply not only the income but capital gains, corporate income and inheritance taxes to make it it overwhelmingly fair and treat everybody the same. >> emac rand paul, senator rand paul who is also running, he's going to throw his hat in the ring pretty soon, he said you co

steve forbes? >> well it is a civil war between those two branches of the muslim faith and saudi arabia seeing what we're doing which is in effect aligned now with iran in very unmistakable way, they have decided we have to take matters into our own hands because the u.s. will not be showing up. it's awol. melissa: people would say that is good, rich lowery. we've heard people say let saudi arabia fight its own battles. why would we get involved? they would say good to what steve forbes just said? >> the problem these are not very capable militaries. the saudis will muster this arab coalition but they're not very capable, they're not very disciplined. there is really no substitute for american power and influence in that region and what we're see something symptom after symptom of our withdrawal. just these bizarre through the looking glass circumstances where we're effectively allied with iran in tikrit in iraq at the moment. we're bombing tikrit. at the same time our ally, the saudis are fighting

steve forbes, forbes chairman editor-in-chief, anthony ran dassault, reason foundation and fox business's cheryl casone. steve, what is it? >> economies like this one will not be doing so well. we know what is happening in europe. deflation caused by central bank, making it impossible for banks to make loans. we're seeing a little bit of that. we may not do as well as people thought we would do at beginning. year and rest of the world is worse. david: anthony, negative interest rates. they scare the hell out of me. how about you? >> definitely for me. a lot of traders have their own particular bogeyman. it might be that one. it might be the fed. right now, we're in the midst of, one of the best bull runs the market ever had. there seems to be a sense it will peak. there is a bear around the corner. most traders don't beat the market. most traders probably think they're in 15% or so that do. so i think anytime something speaks up, they will try test

steve forbes, mike owe zaz yan, elizabeth mcdonald carrie she have leveled, bill and john tamny. mike, why are we arming folks who help terrorists is this. >> because president obama has been down playing the threat that isis poses to america, going all the way back to the attack on the american cons late in benghazi. that's why he's warming qatar. even though qatar is definitely helping the terrorists in the middle east. john bowl ton has been warning about this for months now and ee jipt our ally has been warning us about that but the administration has totally ignored those warnings. >> we don't have to sell them arms. why are we doing it? >> i think you have to shed some of your idealism when you engage in foreign affairs. if you're too picky about your alliances you wind up fighting alone alone. imagine if we said we had refused to help the soviets height the germans because we were unhappy with stall lynn's

and steve forbes chairman and editor and chief is with us as well. t's dig into our first real, real deal. before we would talk about the market, i want to go to you, steve, i want to tell you, the big news, of course, was netanyahu. he actually tied the record for churchill. spoke in front of congress for the third time. i personally thought it was pretty amazing stuff. it was interesting because the market was drifting as he spoke. i don't think it had anything to do with it though, did you? >> no, absolutely not. the market has its own way of looking at the world responding to news. we knew what the market did and wouldn't do it. what netanyahu did today was sound a churchillian warning that it's not only israel's existence at stake, but the us is at stake. bad stuff. he's given us fair warning on that. charles: even before that, the market came out flat. yesterday i said we would be down 100 points. i wouldn't be surprised if we were off triple digits. a lot of anxiety. nasdaq at a new high. there's a lot of things tugging and pulling right now at

at the desk we have steve forbes.he republican party grappling with defense spending. is this a shift that they are willing to take on this article budget, one that they have been low to before -- what do they have been loathe to before? steve: the defense department is under severe pressure and restraint. even our obligations in the world, we got to muscle this thing up and that is what you will start to see happen today. whether the president tries to block it, we will see. brendan: so the answer is we will not see any republican drops in defense spending. steve: no, even those who think we should be more cautious in the world will be loath to cut spending with the fence. you can cut in a lot of areas, but defense you cannot do cheap. tom: you wrote a blistering editorial about the presence defense policy. let me quote. "the world will not cooperate anymore than it did in the 1930's and the 1970's." forgetting about the world war ii scaremongering, how screwed up is it and what is your republican party going to do a

it only increases the supply of cheaper foreign labor. >> joining us now steve forbes.great to see you. this has been a debate that's been raging for more than a decade. you and i have debated free trade. we have talked about these issues. what is wrong with what chuck grassly is saying? >> well the whole thing on immigration should be rationalize instead of the hodgepodge system we have today. if we have certain needs in the economy, we should definitely need it. the combination of security at the border and a sensible worker programs it's not rocket science. >> it isn't, yet the business round table, the chamber of commerce is writing off millions of jobs, sending jobs to cheap labor markets overseas and not securing the border because they want a trade harmonization against the countries. do you remember when bill gates testified before senator ted kennedy on these? asked how many, and he was the sole witness, and asked how many visas would you like? mr. gates, he replied an infinite number. infant in infinity would be satisfy to bill gates. what about to mr. forbes.

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lou: joining us now editor-in-chief steve forbes. great to see you. this is a debate that has been raging for a decade. more than that. we have debated free trade and talked about these issues. what is wrong with what he is saying why shouldn't that be the foundation of policy with hi-b visas? >> whole thing should be rationalized instead of the hodgepodge system we have today. we have certain needs and the economy we should meet those so the combination of security at the border and a sensible worker program it isn't rocket science. lou: but yet the business roundtable the chamber of commerce writes off millions of lives to send those to cheap labor markets overseas not securing the of border because the ones that trade harmonization canada and mexico and hi-b visas remember when bill gates testified? asked how many bush you like? he replied an infinite number. that that blood be satisfactory how about to mr. "forbes"? >> whenever we need. lot of research is sent overseas because we cannot get proper people fear. and this is due to road and education

steve forbes, thank you very much, indeed. >> thank you.k before congress tomorrow. yeah, he's going to do it. one of putin's biggest rivals murdered. the world is going -- well, it's on fire isn't it? yet the market is at an all-time high. k.t. mcfarland, charlie gasparino and all of those stories top of the next hour which is just two minutes away. in new york state, we're reinventing how we do business so businesses can reinvent the world. from pharmaceuticals to 3d prototyping, biotech to clean energy. whether your business is moving, expanding or just getting started... only new york offers you zero taxes for 10 years with startup ny business incubators that partner companies with universities, and venture capital funding for high growth industries. see how new york can grow your business and create jobs. visit ny.gov/business opportunities aren't always obvious. sometimes they just drop in. cme group can help you navigate risks and capture opportunities. we enable you to reach global markets and drive forward with broader possibilitie

steve forbes, love when see you next week. >>> hello, everybody. i'm lou dobbs.ma's controversial trade of five guantanamo bay detainees in exchange for army sergeant bowe bergdahl got a lot more troubling this week. the u.s. military charging bergdahl with one count of desertion and one count of misbehavior before the enemy, charges carrying a maximum sentence of life in prison. also ahead, the u.s. military officially working for iran. the u.s. led coalition in iraq carrying out air strikes now over the city of tikrit where iranian led forces are engaged

steve forbes, love when you spend time with us. now, lou dobbs. lou: good evening, everybody.lou dobbs. shocking new evidence tonight that confirms the co-pilot of the germanwings flight 9525 andreas lubitz should never have been allowed near the controls of the airbus a-320 that he helped fly. investigators have sufficient evidence to say unequivocally that there were many signs that lubitz's mental state, he shouldn't have been in the cockpit. they found a doctor's excuse for illness note for the very day of the crash. and investigators aren't saying what the il

. >> steve forbes will be in bucks county today there he is to speak at the central bucks chamber ofrce's 69th annual membership luncheon. steve forbes is the editor in chief of course of forks media, and former republican presidential candidate, the event is being held at the spring mill manor in northampton. >> coming up on 39:00. north philadelphia man will spend nine to 23 months in jail for brutal attack on septa trolley. day man oliver was sentenced yesterday, police say teenager on her way to school accidentally bumped into oliver with her back pack, and he got angry you remember this story the teen's nose was broken, black eye scratches across her face. >> and fire officials say they've not been able to determine the cause after fire that killed philadelphia firefighter joyce craig. craig died fighting house fire in west oaklane back in december, became trapped in the balesment. fire commissioner derrick sawyer said the fire started in the basement recreation room. but investigators were unable to determine pint of origin or ignition source. craig was first female firefighter

john: your opponent steve forbes. mark: what was the mine sent a 1999 john kasich? -- mindset?thought i could win. i would run as hard as they could at the wall and the wall was not moving. it was very difficult. since i have been to south carolina and new hampshire, i am starting to get a couple of really good memories that somehow i have lost sight of. when i dropped out of that, i went and let congress and went to the private sector. i did a lot of things, including becoming a very big television star. john: more from 1999. this one specifically from new hampshire. remember that day? >> no, i do not remember that day. one of the best ones, it was when i knew the end was near a copy in a kitchen with this woman. i would do events in the house. she and i were carrying on a great conversation, and i thought i am going to win this 80 over. she looked at her watch and i have enjoyed talking to you when do you think the candidate is going to get here? mark: last 1, 2001. tell us about this. >> my precious girls. my wife, my daughter, emma and reason. ece. i think that was the day

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steve forbes, rich carl guard, elizabeth mcdonald mic owe ozanian and bruce jep son. >> david, the answerprobably is no. this is typical obama negotiation and that is make concessions in advance. obama thinks

steve forbes, rich carl guard, elizabeth mcdonald mic owe ozanian and bruce jep son. >> david, the answer probably is no. this is typical obama negotiation and that is make concessions in advance. obama thinks he can deal with these people the way neville chamberlain thought he could deal with the nazis or jimmy carter thought he could deal with the soviet union and russia before it invaded afghanistan. so the quid pro quo is going to end up being iran is going to get a great deal to get nuclear weapons and we're going to be in more danger because of it. >> bruce, the report clearly was changed, this intel report, last year iran and hezbollah were in the report this year they were not. why is that? >> well, i don't know about this. i mean, i think there's so much light shining on this right now it would be awfully difficult for someone to get political here. iran was mentioned in the latest report about 40 times so i don't think we're letting them off the hook here. you know, the control f on my computer didn't see hezbollah, but i think there's so much line being shined on this, includin

remember when steve forbes ran on that 20 years ago.think that's sellable to the american electorate? >> yeah, i do. stuart: do you really? that's a revolution steve. >> it is a revolution, but here's the point, i don't think americans should play small ball. i think they should be talking about blowing up the tax system starting completely over. i've said this on your show i bet, stuart, you and i could sit down in half an hour and come up with something that is much more pro-growth, more fair and something that the american people that would buy into, get rid of the loopholes, get rid of the special interest carveouts. yeah, i think the american people are ready for that because they see this tax system is sending jobs abroad. stuart: last one real fast, "the boston globe" wants elizabeth warren to run against hillary. let's suppose wildly that elizabeth warren is elected president of the united states of america. what would that do to the united states' economy? [laughter] i'm not being funny she's the op opposite extreme, she's way

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steve forbes, love when see you next week. >>> hello everybody. i'm lou dobbs. president obama's controversial trade of five guantanamo bay detainees in exchange for army sergeant bowe bergdahl got a lot more troubling this week. the u.s. military charging bergdahl with one count of desertion and one count of misbehavior before the enemy, charges carrying a maximum sentence of life in prison. also ahead, the u.s. military officially working for iran. the u.s. led coalition in iraq carrying out air strikes now over the city of tikrit where iranian led forces are engaged on a stalled battle to retake the city from the islamic state. we take it all up with major general robert scales. >>> and it turns out that the president's relationship where the israeli prime minister could hardly worsen. according to the "wall street journal," israel spied on talks with iran. the white house, as you might expect wasn't pleased. republicans strategist karl rove joins us to talk about the president's latest clash with our key ally in the middle east and the entry of the first can

and on other hand, have you like the dick army, steve forbeing platt tax that is based on a low rate,o double taxation, no trouble taxation is a principle of senator rubio and lee's tax plan but the problem is that white house their idea of more seriously, idea of tax reform is more class warfare high are rates, so -- higher rates there is no bradley or gephardt like in 1980s, i don't think we'll have a chance of anything. neil: that was last time we had a -- but fact is that right now the things are torn apart on issue. they are not immediately revenue neutral, i think that rubeo's plan you lose money before you make money other issue is that some group is always geting perceiveed to get an advantage others would not. fat cats paying no ven of investment taxes, to keep markets going and promising company technology but others hear they that say making mitt happy. >> i think that get average voter interested in something like corporate tax reform, have to put it in their language, why should we care? why is lower corporate taxes going to affect me, the american average voter is it mor

choose to get involved nationally or if i'm still in the senate it is going to be similar to what steve forbes presented. 17% flat personal, 17% flat corporate income tax. >> you will have to get the money someplace. >> got to cut spending. i eliminate departments department of commerce department of education. almost entirely these can be handled at the local level. >> paul acknowledges he faces a potentially crowded gop field. >> your thoughts about jeb bush? >> i think it will be difficult for a moderate to win the nomination. i was just down in florida in jeb bush's state and people throughout the crowd with no common core. this is a difficult process to get the nomination. i don't think there is belief of invince ability out there. >> governor scott walker? >> i think he is doing very well. i think people like to see a fighter. i think that is one reason he is doing well. >> reporter: paul and his wife have been married for more than 20 years and should he jump in the race their three sons would also be out on the trail. >> your family into this run? >> sometimes. sometimes it is thankles

steve forbes, love when you spend time with us. now, lou dobbs. lou: good evening everybody. i'm lou dobbs. shocking new evidence tonight that confirms the co-pilot of the germanwings flight 9525 andreas lubitz should never have been allowed near the controls of the airbus a-320 that he helped fly. investigators have sufficient evidence to say unequivocally that there were many signs that lubitz's mental state, he shouldn't have been in the cockpit. they found a doctor's excuse for illness note for the very day of the crash. and investigators aren't saying what the illness was. whether mental or physical. we'll have the very latest tonight from the scene of the airbus crash. we'll be examining the issues of cockpit safety and procedures and explore many of the questions that remain about the co-pilot's mental help and troubled history. all escaped his coworkers and the airline. we'll be talking with psychiatrist dr. keith ablow here later in the forecast. also, the iran iranian nuclear talks go on. diplomats descend on sweden. wrapping up tuesday. the deadline. the obama admi

maybe not complete flat tax like steve forbes advocated but something close.that make things simpler. >> it would, the problem this is, this is difficulty getting something like that passed. number one, americans want fair and simple. there is nothing both fair and simple. you can't have both fair and simple. number two is, that 30% of the americans pay no tax. and if you have any simple system without exception, they are going to be taxed. take the 30% lowest, lowest income earning americans and say to them, you know what? time you get to pay your fair share. tired of rich people paying taxes. how many will pay fair share. how many will raise their hands to say i will pay. fair tax system, poor people will be hurt. david: john hewitt. liberty tax service. good to see you. >> good to see you. david: cheryl, over to you. cheryl: david the richest boxing match in history is getting richer by the day. details on unbelievable amount of money the may weather and pacquiao fight will take home. how much it will cost the fans. >>> why be tied down to one neighborhood

some of them want a flat tax like steve forbes advocates. and so we'll see how it all shakes out.hink all the new tax proposals and government policies are kill being the american dream, don't worry, be happy, says john tamny. you have a new book. we're showing it right now. it is not so hard to get back on the right track. explain. >> it is very simple. there are four basics to economic growth. if governments get taxes right, keep them low, keep trade free, reduce regulations almost completely, have a stable dollar you always get booming economic growth. there is no time in history where you don't. if we get back to basics we won't have to worry about other things. david: paul to, john's point, in his excellent book he talks about england. england was a company that looked like a basket case in the '60s, '70s, early part of the '80s. they did some of what he suggested and turned it around. >> it's a good object lesson. the issue that we have here, issue people really need to look at in this country who, are the people who will make these things happen? these things do not happen

just ask steve forbes. watch live as jeb bush attends a meet and greet at the home of the former gop chair live at 7:45 p.m. eastern. on sunday, governor walker speaks at concord. that is live at 11:45 eastern also here on the span. -- on c-span. announcer: lindsey graham made his first trip to new hampshire on monday since announcing he is considering a presidential run in 2016. he spoke at the bedford village in at a breakfast hosted by the new england council and the new hampshire institute of politics. this is just over an hour. [applause] senator graham: thank you. i feel better already knowing it's free. normally, you get what you pay for. [laughter] the national guard, i didn't know you could say like you did but that's great. this has been a wonderful experience. if this -- if this is like -- if this is what it's like to run for president, it could be fun. the panel you mentioned, who was in it? barney and wells? >> [indiscernible] senator graham: anybody been to south carolina? come back. spend mon

his next closest rival steve "forbes" with his own money. this was shock when it happened.t caused a lot of republicans, people in media, people in politics in general to look at george w. bush to say he's the overwhelming favorite. he got the endorsements a lot more money because of it. it's really the reason he went on to win the nomination a year later. it's what happened in 1999. that's the thing we wanted to look at right now, how the early money could affect what ends up happening next year in the presidential race. you see this is the example of 1999 how george bush cornered the republicans early. here's another example. the first three months january, february, march, of 2007 a full year before they were actually running in primaries against each other. hillary clinton running against barack obama. she did very well. she raised 30$30 million. but look at this. birmingham raised over $25 million. the first senator from illinois. is he serious? is he not? when he raised that kind of money, it made him serious made others put money on him. again, that's another example

we got steve forbes on tonight. >> all right. >>> stick around for this.sic anti-muslim? >> nothing says let's go kill some muslims like country music. >> then everybody laughed. >> what is former army ranger and country music superstar craig morgan think about that? we're going to ask him. hopefully his mike is on. he is reporting for duty. >>> but first, on this date in 1984, "footloose" by ken in i loggins who sang this song on "fox & friends" was the number one song in america. h your buddy ron once said he could install your ceiling fan. he couldn't. and that one time ron said another chili dog was a good idea. yeah, it wasn't. so when ron said you'd never afford a john deere tractor, you knew better. now ron does too. introducing the e series. legendary john deere quality. unexpected low price. see your john deere dealer for great deere season savings on the e series family of tractors. reaction to ted cruz saying he started listening to country music after 9/11. >> nothing says let's go kill some muslims like country music. >> now listen to this hit

steve case wrote an op-ed with his take on that charge and joins us light now from the forbes reinvesteve, welcome to the program. good to see you. >> thank you. >> you don't totally disagree with him but you think he goes too far? >> yes. i think the valuations have been high. the main point mark was trying to make is that angel networks and crowd funding was fueling that. and that there's too much of that happening. that may be true in a few places like san francisco and new york. it's not true in most of the country, including the heartland here in chicago. most entrepreneurs in most parts of the country do not have that initial capital to get started and the whole idea of building outcrowd funding is to give more entrepreneurs a shot more of a level playing field for them and for investors. so i think more capital to entrepreneurs in places the rise of the rest that we call it for those that need it is where the focus should be not just in silicon valley or boston which already have a lot of capital and investors. >> i'll bring the panel in here in just one second but i'm sure -- p

to "forbes on fox" let's get in focus with mike ozanian, elizabeth mcdonald and cows inn golds bee former white house chief economist and chairman of the council of economic advisors advisors. steve, is it time to rev up td sanctions? >> it's time to rev up the sanctions and put them on steroids and stop these negotiations david, which are a dangerous joke. iran has 20-year history of violating agreements, it's already violated the interim agreement on which it entered these negotiations going for illegal parts and the like. they can't be trusted and any deal won't be worth the paper it's written on. bibi is right we've got to do real things. >> boston in addition to what's happening on the nuclear front they're also becoming an evil empire, you look at how they're controlling more and more territory. a lot of people, even a lot of after rabs and fellow us approximate limbs are concerned about what they're doing. >> i'm sure they are and we shouldn't have gotten in a big war to take out tear biggest enemy and give them all the power that they currently have. i mean, the approach that bibi is talking about nobody thinks that they're a great country, but if you just try to taking s

to "forbes on fox" let's get in focus with mike ozanian, elizabeth mcdonald and cows inn golds bee former white house chief economist and chairman of the council of economic advisors advisors. steve, is it time to rev up td sanctions? >> it's time to rev up the sanctions and put them on steroids and stop these negotiations david, which are a dangerous joke. iran has 20-year history of violating agreements, it's already violated the interim agreement on which it entered these negotiations going for illegal parts and the like. they can't be trusted and any deal won't be worth the paper it's written on. bibi is right we've got to do real things. >> boston in addition to what's happening on the nuclear front they're also becoming an evil empire, you look at how they're controlling more and more territory. a lot of people, even a lot of after rabs and fellow us approximate limbs are concerned about what they're doing. >> i'm sure they are and we shouldn't have gotten in a big war to take out tear biggest enemy and give them all the power that they currently have. i mean, the approach that bibi is talking about nobody thinks that they're a great country, but if you just try to taking s