let's go in focus with steve forbes michael, elizabeth mcdonald, sabrina shafer john tamney and bruce jackson. steve, start it up again. the nsa surveillance. >> absolutely david. what they have now is unworkable. the telecom companies don't know what they're supposed to be doing with this data. just as it makes it harder to do basic data

let's go in focus with steve forbes michael, elizabeth mcdonald, sabrina shafer john tamney and bruce jackson. steve, start it up again. the nsa surveillance. >> absolutely david. what they have now is unworkable. the telecom companies don't know what they're supposed to be doing with this data. just as it makes it harder to do basic data mining. that's not listening in on conversations. all it means is they see a pattern, and then they have to go through various warrants and getting permission before they can take it a step further, but it's a useful tool. especially as terrorists now get more and more sophisticated about their own use of social media and communicating with each other in code. >> okay. john take this data. >> i don't like it. i think anything that limits the government to act is a good thing. the reality is that the nsa is tracking everything. it's ultimately tracking nothing, and there's no way for it to credibly know what is and what is not a threat. i don't like the idea of giving up so much liberty for really nothing in return in terms of enhanced security. >> i

steve forbes sabrina shafford and bruce jackson. steve, the president says we're respected again, and you say? >> well michael jackson and barack obama has fantasy land. the russians the chinese, the iranians all believe now the u.s. is a declining power, which is why the chinese are flagrantly hacking the u.s. government files the way they came out last week, and in terms of the american voters. barack obama polls now under george w. bush. there's like for the united states but not respect in terms of global power. >> and we're tryinging to figure out what metric the president is using to make that claim. there was a gl lup poll we think is the poll that shows the approval rating going up a little bit. but the same poll shows the u.s. approval rating going down from 2009 to 2014. so it's confusing here. >> well i think a poll we should all consider is a very low bar that was bush and cheney for starters. they may not always like us but they respect us. they're in on the nuclear talks with iran for us. we have a trade deal going onto benefit the world's economy. so i think we're doing pretty well. >> but rich