this is maricopa county supervisor steve gallardo who is in favor of the measure, followed by glenn hamer, president and ceo of the arizona chamber of commerce and industry, who is against it. the two debated the issue on arizona pbs. >> it has been 10 years as the voters have had an opportunity to raise minimum wage. now it is time. many families are struggling to make ins meet. they're working two jobs just to put food on the table. this modest increase to $10 this january and going up to $12 by 2020 is good. it is good for working families, the economy, good for arizona. it is time pressed to address it. >> the minimum wage does go up every year. that was part of the ballot initiative that passed about 10 years ago. we are at $8.05, considerably higher than the federal level. the reason we oppose this is i is going to cost jobs and a lot of jobs for those of the entry-level portion of their career, number one. two, this will hurt a lot of businesses, particularly rural arizona. amy:'s their anderson, you deal with is a great deal. your response? >> economic policy institute and others