this group will include steve gunderson, the honorable steve gunderson from wisconsin and now representing the association of private sector colleges and universities. next we have doctor jonathan gi braltar. is that correct? sheet president of frost berg state university and representing the american association of state college and universities. i want to give the university and the association of veteran program administrators. welcome. they testify as i was telling the ranking member and the hoosier values that i like to talk about. i want to thank you for your years of service in the air force. representing the american association of college reg stars and admissions officers and finally miss judith flink from the university of illinois representing the university business officers. we will start with miss flirchg because we will have to slip out. you are recognized for five minutes. >> mr. chairman and members of the committee. my name is judith flink and serve as student financial services for the three campuses of the can university of illinois. i have been actively involved in hig

if ecpi were sitting here today rather than steve gunderson they would tell you when we're eng e engaged in on site education of veteran, all we need to do is screw up once and that commander will never again direct any of us enlistees to our school. >> when you say if a school is being disciplined or going after a school, what practices are they performing that requires them to discipline or to investigate? >> i think the biggest allegation against our sector over the last four years has been misrepresentation. as i tried to show in my written testimony and much more quickly in my oral testimony is that there is between the accrediting standards and the v.a. and the department of education, all of them prohibit misrepresentation in advertising or sales. there's a lot of different avenues to go after that particular enforcement. that's number one. number two in why we support counselling is because i think if the veterans that i've talked to at these schools tell you they have a complaint, it is that they don't know the right questions to ask at the beginning. they will tell you as they