and that is increasingly what people like steve hayes are thinking about the therapeutic or trainingprocess. there's not much of his between therapy and training. no matter what your, level of functioning, this can benefit you. >> okay. speak to us about children and child rearing and raising children, that they are not overprotected, anxious. that is my concern but actually -- [laughter] in the book actually of course have a lot to say about this. speak to us about children in an evolutionary point of view. >> this is especially interested of john and myself. there is also a foundation which is dedicated about this. then once again, the toolkit enables us to say this. in all cultures, they have a tremendous amount of information that must be passed across generations. and so learning and teaching takes place in all cultures. the amount of information that must be transmitted in traditional cultures for example that do not have books. it is mind-boggling. mind-boggling the survival skills that are taught and learned. and yet, it is amazing that the way it happens, there is very littl