the dyson report cleared steve hewlett, _ said there wasn't evidence.about the '905 - being the wild west, you know, you were saying that it'sl different on fleet street, david, but you and i know that phone hacking, for example, i when there's a great story, a reporter comes in with i a great story, actually- what happens, and it's exactly what happened here, is that lots of people in authority, i lots of people who should've l been the boss of martin bashir didn't want to ask questionsl because it was a great story. she did an amazing interview. he won awards. so, you know, and look at phone hacking. - i mean, how many editors defended themselves- by saying, "we never knew." so, anyway, iwould just like to sort of say that l i think that this is a culture ofjournalism, that- when there's a great scoop, actually most people, - there's a human desire not to ask the question. - which is where we get - to regulation, and richard's right, this is such. a difficult question. because you want journalism... what did tim davie say? he wanted brave and confiden

steve hewlett had — earl spencer. why did you not? steve hewlett had spoken _ earl spencer... i want to— the mail on sunday story came out... i want to know— the mail on sunday story came out... i want to know why you did not pick up i want to know why you did not pick up the phone. this is basic rookie journalist stuff. there are obviously too sized to the story. you ask one person there review, and then you pick up the phone and ask then you pick up the phone and ask the other person their view. this is the other person their view. this is the very basis of research. you did not do any research at all, did you? they did the research, and then i interviewed martin bashir. the point is, we _ interviewed martin bashir. the point is, we were — interviewed martin bashir. the point is, we were looking at something narrower~ — is, we were looking at something narrower. in retrospect, in terms of dyson, _ narrower. in retrospect, in terms of dyson. that — narrower. in retrospect, in terms of dyson, that was a mistake. the narrow— dyson, that was a mistake. the narrow point we were

but the conclusion is they went to the editor of panorama, steve hewlett, and so, what do you think hethe mark at the time, but he said sorry, because we had a letter from princess diana saying she did not see the documents and she was influenced by that, that is enough that we don't believe that it actually influenced her decision to do the interview, he said. we actually influenced her decision to do the interview, he said.- do the interview, he said. we will leave it there _ do the interview, he said. we will leave it there now. _ do the interview, he said. we will leave it there now. thanks - do the interview, he said. we will leave it there now. thanks for - leave it there now. thanks for joining us. any delay in easing restrictions, means more hardship for industries already badly hit by successive lockdowns. nina warhurst is in halifax, and has been talking to some business owners there. the 21st ofjune had been billed by some as freedom day, the earliest possible date that all restrictions could be lifted. now the removal of all remaining rules is not expected to happen that da